Traders International

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A-Trade International is unregulated and kind of on the down low. That kinda stuff just doesn't fly with me.

You wanna make sure you're dealing with well-known, regulated folks in this game.

So, my advice? Might be best to steer clear of A-Trade International.

I joined TI back in about 2007 and red flags started almost immediately. I was full of gusto keen to make some money and create a better life for myself but also knew that I had to go through due process and complete the course and paper trade successfully before giving the big show a go.

Everything went well in simulation and looked promising. As soon as I went live it was a completely different ball game. The numbers simply didn't add up. The signs were there but the profitability was not the reality that was sold to me.

I made some money here and there but for the most part it just cost money - a lot of money. And it wasnt just me, it was 95% of the people in the trading room. No one made a living from this system! I remember my salesman even said that I can have his commission(of $1,000) if it didn't work out for me.

This wasnt the deciding factor in me giving TI a go but it was a 'salesman's' line, and I should have known better. By the way that salesman was Lachlan. I believe he is running the show now. One of the other sales-lines was that "you are a lifetime member".

To that, I contacted TI to see if I could simply see if anything had changed, what the latest teachings were and to simply touch base - I was told that my membership was no longer valid and I would have to join again. This is a poorly run sleazy operation. The way they make money is through membership fees - NOT through any stock market knowledge or expertise. If you want to get in the market read a few books, blend technical and fundamental analysis and paper trade.

Once you are comfortable with your methodology start trading live - but SMALL.

Increase your outlay proportionate to your successes. TI is a COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME.

I paid from memory $7, 850. And thinking about it makes me so angry and upset.

I spent under $150 on books last year reading about the stock market and they've proved to be far better. I got sucked into the idea that paying a lot of money means you're getting something high quality and unfortunately traders international are exploiting that very psychology by charging you a *** tonne of money.

Regretful purchase. I hope these people get *** over

I have posted my list of complaints and my story with traders international at length on another site. If you do a search on google for traders international you will see my post on mypivots.com.

The short version is that I lost a lot of money with this scam of a company on top of the 10k they charged for their substandard service. The only thing these guys are experts at is scamming. When I signed up with them...and the only reason I signed up with them was because they promised clear entry and exit signals. They did anything but do that.

It was a joke. The people they hire are by no means experts at trading. They are good at bs'ing and making you believe that their "proprietary singnals" are the key to their trading and your success. Its hog wash.

They using lagging indicators that you can make on your own.

They have no clue of the underlying workings of the market. You have been warned.

I just wanted to share a few experiences i had with TI. First off i was trading stocks for a time and wanted to get into the futures market.

TI was my first experience with futures trading. They did there job. They taught me what i needed to get involved with the emini's. I learned entry techniques and exits.

I learned to read the market and i got a lot of good experience in the market following rich in the live classes. I learned a ton of real time lessons which i took into my trading. Its up to you to find your niche in the markets and to learn how to trade trade successfully TI was a great start for me. I dont regret one bit the experience i learned there.

And one last thing. I would say about the mod rich. When i was there i would have to say that he did his very best to teach and share his knowledge.

Rich is a humble honest guy who deserves respect. Its not his job to tell you what trades to take and thats something you have to learn on your own

WARNING !!! My name falsely used. Shame, Shame, Shame

THE FALSE USE OF YOUR GOOD NAME CAN HAPPEN TO YOU AS IT DID TO ME ON THIS SITE

The entry dated October 14, 2012 From Melbourne, Victoria, AU, was NOT submitted by me.

That entry is a FABRICATION by a bitter and twisted individual.

Martin John Kennedy is a friend of Lachlan Elsworthy and therefore has no cause to perpetrate these FALSE ACCUSATIONS.

The ASIC complaint number is fictitious.

Therefore, any sensible person would use http://www.forexpeacearmy.com/ as a LEGITAMATE forum for TRUTH and also SCAMS.

Please note: there is NO reference to Traders International in either category.

So please check out Facts and Truth before accepting everything that has been written on this unregulated and therefore offensive site.

How irresponsible can the operators of this site be?

I have been a happy Traders International member for over three years now. My experience with Traders International has been very positive and nothing short of life changing. In the time I have spent with them I have learned to become a very successful trader. They have taught me things that I would have never learned on my own.

Before joining TI I was a very average trader who quite frankly had no "real" idea what I was doing. I lost many thousands of dollars trading on my own learning from books and the Internet. After quite a few years of frustration I decided to look for a trading service that could give me some guidance and help me become a consistently profitable trader. After a lot of research I decided to join Traders International. It is a decision I have never regretted as they have helped me become consistently profitable with my trading.

If you are new/newer to the world of trading, Traders International can truly accelerate your learning curve by providing its members with the education, support and hands on learning in the live market trading room. You simply cannot replace having a professional trader explain to you why or why not a trade setup is a good one or not. I CANNOT overemphasize this point!

The ecourse TI offers is comprehensive and covers many important trading topics in a user friendly step-by-step online video format. Along with the videos TI provides their members with support that is truly 2nd to none! The live online support classes are provided four days a week to answer all of your questions.

The moderators in the TI trading room are always friendly, informative and above all provide their members with successful trade calls day after day. They thoughtfully explain why they are calling a trade and what makes the trade setup a good one. They will also explain when not to take a trade based on market conditions as well. It's this "coaching" before, during and after a trade setup that sets TI apart from other trading companies.

TI is always looking to improve their trading techniques and are constantly looking to keep up with changing market dynamics. What worked well last year might not necessarily work the next. This is what separates TI from a lot of other trading companies; their ability (resources) and willingness to change with the market!

One of the biggest and most successful changes TI has ever made to their trading program is changing from all "Indicator" based trading to "Price Action" based trading. Trading off of price action has absolutely been the most important change I have ever made to my trading style…and I have TI to thank for that!

Is trading for everyone, absolutely not! Patience & discipline are an absolute must! I didn't have either when I first started but TI taught me how important these two personal attributes are. TI has taught me to spot and take high probability trade setups which have resulted in many more winning trades then losing ones. Using the trading knowledge I have gained from TI, I now consistently average a 70-75% trading success rate.

In the end I would highly recommend Traders International to anyone who would like to become a successful trader. If you are newer to the world of trading the ecourse, training and support are absolutely the best you are going to find anywhere, period! If you are an experienced trader looking to become a much more consistently profitable trader then TI is the place to be!

Traders International are only 'analysts' and only 'marketers' who sell indicator-based systems using 'hyped' returns but provide no 'hard evidence' to backup their returns in their trading rooms. They use facebook/twitter to market what other trader's are saying 'but' they avoid/never talk about their own personal trading - because it does not exist.

I personally have asked the hard questions which keep getting ignored. The CEO Afshin, Lachlan Elsworth and staff at Traders International do not all trade what they teach/preach with their own 'personal' money. They "˜collate/use/steal' ideas/screen shots from their members/other traders who email them screenshots, see what's working at the time, and then come up with systems and they take the credit for it – however Traders International moderators do "˜not' give back = they don't send their own screen shots back to their members who initially give to them. Also, Traders International will not "˜coach' you unless you fork out "˜more' money to their trading room subscription.

The moderators "˜live' trade using a 'test' account, however, none of them trade with their own personal money on what they teach. Traders International do not 'walk the talk'. Do not believe the hype - ask the two most important questions you can ever ask anyone who makes 'bold' statements about returns and/or tries to sell you a product - Q1. do they actually trade what they preach?

Q2. if yes, ask them to show you the evidence of all their trade's 'screen shots' and their personal 'live account statements' to confirm their "˜so-called' returns? If they do not show you this – "˜walk away' and save your hard earned money to learn from someone who actually does walk the talk and can 'show' you the evidence to backup their 'hyped' returns! I have been trading for "˜five' years my own personal signal/system which is only "˜price action' based – with "˜no' indicators because all indicators "˜lag'.

Stay away from trading education companies who try to sell you a trading system with "˜indicators'. All indicators "˜lag' and there is "˜no' consistency in profit returns over the "˜long term' when trading off indicators – I know this because I have been backtesting for "˜five' years trying all sorts of indicators. "˜Price action' alone is "˜king' – when you know how to read price action "˜only' – then you will start to trade successfully and will "˜never' need to use any indicators again! Stay "˜away' from Traders International – their explanation of trading methodologies are "˜not' consistent as individual moderators "˜nor' between each other = this is usually first sign of people not walking the talk themselves when they change the rules/methodology specifics and "˜contradict' themselves on a "˜weekly' basis.

There are better trading education companies out there who charge a lot 'less', are more consistent and disciplined in their trading methodolgies, and also do "˜not' charge for access to their trading rooms - however you should never 'shadow trade' from trades called by any trading room moderator - otherwise you will never become an independent trader. Do your "˜thorough' due diligence before parting with your "˜hard-earned' money!

Do not sign a contract with these people until you fully understand you will pay for everything before you will ever be able to trade live. By that time you will have paid $6000.00 for course materials and prepaid all of your trading room fees, "to protect you from losses". Magically, after you pay everything you will now be able to make $1000.00 a day. Flag number one. My own fault. I usually research before I buy. I didn't. That's what guarantees are for.

The sales pitch leads you to believe otherwise. They pitch making $1000.00 a day. Playing on emotions, they are sucking a lot of people into their program at a vunerable time in their lives. Many have been laid off from work and assume they can make $1000.00 day in the mornings trading e-minis.

What Afshin neglects to tell you is you won't make that money immendiately. You'll have to wait 6 months. The latter response was from other traders in the room. Flag number two. I wish he had disclosed this one fact on his "online live session". I would not have joined.

The above is like paying a contractor in full for a remodel of your home only to find said contractor won't start for 6 months. And then the contractor files bankruptcy. Not the best analogy, but you get the point.

The most cruel part of this situation is you call and ask them to stop charging your account and their account manager tells you "sorry we have a contract" and then literally hangs up on you. She said she didn't, but I distinctly heard the receiver.

Anyway, so you're out of work and they want to still charge you trading room fees on top of 6 months trading fees paid in advance even after you plead hardship. I don't know about you but these people are heartless. Afshin never heard of negotiation where he comes from.

Well my attorney and the FTC will disagree if I understand everything I've read on the matter to date. Guarantees are supposed to mean something.

Pissed? Do not sign a contract with these people until you fully understand you will pay for everything before you will ever be able to trade live. By that time you will have paid $6000.00 for course materials and prepaid all of your trading room fees, "to protect you from losses". Magically, after you pay everything you will now be able to make $1000.00 a day. Flag number one. My own fault. I usually research before I buy. I didn't. That's what guarantees are for.

The sales pitch leads you to believe otherwise. They pitch making $1000.00 a day. Playing on emotions, they are sucking a lot of people into their program at a vunerable time in their lives. Many have been laid off from work and assume they can make $1000.00 day in the mornings trading e-minis.

What Afshin neglects to tell you is you won't make that money immendiately. You'll have to wait 6 months. The latter response was from other traders in the room. Flag number two. I wish he had disclosed this one fact on his "online live session". I would not have joined.

The above is like paying a contractor in full for a remodel of your home only to find said contractor won't start for 6 months. And then the contractor files bankruptcy. Not the best analogy, but you get the point.

The most cruel part of this situation is you call and ask them to stop charging your account and their account manager tells you "sorry we have a contract" and then literally hangs up on you. She said she didn't, but I distinctly heard the receiver.

Anyway, so you're out of work and they want to still charge you trading room fees on top of 6 months trading fees paid in advance even after you plead hardship. I don't know about you but these people are heartless. Afshin never heard of negotiation where he comes from.

Well my attorney and the FTC will disagree if I understand everything I've read on the matter to date.

Pissed. Yes at myself for acting hastily. Don't follow my example.

Understand if you change your mind about Traders International and decide to terminate their services they will still enforce their contract with you. They do not care what the reason. They will continue to charge even if you stop using the service.

I canceled less than 30 days after joining when I realized the service they marketed wasn't what they advertized.

I've filed with the BBB of Houston, the Texas Attorney General and the SEC.

Also be warned these guys trade "live" on a simulator so their risk trading S&P futures is zero while yours is limitless.

An extremely disatisfied consumer.