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  • Traders International has 1.6 star rating based on 3 customer reviews. Consumers are mostly dissatisfied.

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A-Trade International is unregulated and kind of on the down low. That kinda stuff just doesn't fly with me. You wanna make sure you're dealing with well-known, regulated folks in this game. So, my a

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A-Trade International is unregulated and kind of on the down low. That kinda stuff just doesn't fly with me.

You wanna make sure you're dealing with well-known, regulated folks in this game.

So, my advice? Might be best to steer clear of A-Trade International.

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User's recommendation: A-Trade International is unregulated and kind of on the down low. That kinda stuff just doesn't fly with me. You wanna make sure you're dealing with well-known, regulated folks in this game. So, my advice? Might be best to steer clear of A-Trade International.

Anonymous

TI - Traders Incompetent

I joined TI back in about 2007 and red flags started almost immediately. I was full of gusto keen to make some money and create a better life for myself but also knew that I had to go through due process and complete the course and paper trade successfully before giving the big show a go.

Everything went well in simulation and looked promising. As soon as I went live it was a completely different ball game. The numbers simply didn't add up. The signs were there but the profitability was not the reality that was sold to me.

I made some money here and there but for the most part it just cost money - a lot of money. And it wasnt just me, it was 95% of the people in the trading room. No one made a living from this system! I remember my salesman even said that I can have his commission(of $1,000) if it didn't work out for me.

This wasnt the deciding factor in me giving TI a go but it was a 'salesman's' line, and I should have known better. By the way that salesman was Lachlan. I believe he is running the show now. One of the other sales-lines was that "you are a lifetime member".

To that, I contacted TI to see if I could simply see if anything had changed, what the latest teachings were and to simply touch base - I was told that my membership was no longer valid and I would have to join again. This is a poorly run sleazy operation. The way they make money is through membership fees - NOT through any stock market knowledge or expertise. If you want to get in the market read a few books, blend technical and fundamental analysis and paper trade.

Once you are comfortable with your methodology start trading live - but SMALL.

Increase your outlay proportionate to your successes. TI is a COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME.

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Guest

could you please investigate Kayafx.com i put the money on 250 and they didnt back my money ..

Bauer Bpd

Yeah.... Not very good.

A good way to lose money to them, but making money in trading? Forget it.

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map-marker Melbourne, Victoria

Regretful purchase

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I paid from memory $7, 850. And thinking about it makes me so angry and upset.

I spent under $150 on books last year reading about the stock market and they've proved to be far better. I got sucked into the idea that paying a lot of money means you're getting something high quality and unfortunately traders international are exploiting that very psychology by charging you a *** tonne of money.

Regretful purchase. I hope these people get *** over

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Anonymous
map-marker Houston, Texas

Traders International - scam artists

I have posted my list of complaints and my story with traders international at length on another site. If you do a search on google for traders international you will see my post on mypivots.com.

The short version is that I lost a lot of money with this scam of a company on top of the 10k they charged for their substandard service. The only thing these guys are experts at is scamming. When I signed up with them...and the only reason I signed up with them was because they promised clear entry and exit signals. They did anything but do that.

It was a joke. The people they hire are by no means experts at trading. They are good at bs'ing and making you believe that their "proprietary singnals" are the key to their trading and your success. Its hog wash.

They using lagging indicators that you can make on your own.

They have no clue of the underlying workings of the market. You have been warned.

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Guest

Too bad for you. You're the one who entered the trades on your own behalf.

The problem is the double bottom/ double tops don't work unless the volume switching the direction, is LOW, not high dummies. then the reversal follows thru to your 4 points or whatever scalp you do. be carefull of those double bottoms .

They're bull and bear traps. We used to call it a "W" just put buy stops and sell stops up and down from the top and bottom of that pattern.

Anonymous
map-marker Encinitas, California

TI is what it is

I just wanted to share a few experiences i had with TI. First off i was trading stocks for a time and wanted to get into the futures market.

TI was my first experience with futures trading. They did there job. They taught me what i needed to get involved with the emini's. I learned entry techniques and exits.

I learned to read the market and i got a lot of good experience in the market following rich in the live classes. I learned a ton of real time lessons which i took into my trading. Its up to you to find your niche in the markets and to learn how to trade trade successfully TI was a great start for me. I dont regret one bit the experience i learned there.

And one last thing. I would say about the mod rich. When i was there i would have to say that he did his very best to teach and share his knowledge.

Rich is a humble honest guy who deserves respect. Its not his job to tell you what trades to take and thats something you have to learn on your own

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Dectective
map-marker Melbourne, Victoria

WARNING !!! My name falsely used. Shame

WARNING !!! My name falsely used. Shame, Shame, Shame

THE FALSE USE OF YOUR GOOD NAME CAN HAPPEN TO YOU AS IT DID TO ME ON THIS SITE

The entry dated October 14, 2012 From Melbourne, Victoria, AU, was NOT submitted by me.

That entry is a FABRICATION by a bitter and twisted individual.

Martin John Kennedy is a friend of Lachlan Elsworthy and therefore has no cause to perpetrate these FALSE ACCUSATIONS.

The ASIC complaint number is fictitious.

Therefore, any sensible person would use http://www.forexpeacearmy.com/ as a LEGITAMATE forum for TRUTH and also SCAMS.

Please note: there is NO reference to Traders International in either category.

So please check out Facts and Truth before accepting everything that has been written on this unregulated and therefore offensive site.

How irresponsible can the operators of this site be?

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People are telling the truth about you Lachlan Elsworth because you again completely believe in your stories that you know about trading and that you are genuine educator ... but you are not that is the fact .

You learn the tricks and deceptions from Peter Elsworth and Andrew Barnett and that is the truth and nothing else don't pretend with this "amazing length" quote to hide behind your deceptiveness and being a simple liar .

Guest

Martin, I appreciate your comment. As I say to all TI traders, on the rare occasion a trader has an issue, please call the office immediately and ask for coaching - it is free!

All new members know they can come to the office and sit beside me while I trade my own personal money in front of them. I do not think we can get any more transparent than that! Thanks again for your comment.

It is amazing the length some people go to (in this case using false names) to try and discredit a company and the passionate people who run it! Lachlan Elsworth :)

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wookie Pxu
map-marker Brisbane, Queensland

TRADERS INTERNATIONAL - DISHONEST & MISLEADING

Dishonest, Misleading Presentations by Traders International Pty Ltd ABN: 60 1** 354 515 - ASIC complaints Reference Number 8244****

I have witnessed unfounded and inappropriate presentations by LACHLAN ELSWORTH of Traders International quoting "we are achieving up to 600% ROI each month and this is done live in our trading rooms" but has no/is showing no hard evidence (i.e. trade screen shots and individual trading account) to backup these returns which remain unproven. Instead, sucking in the uneducated prospects with misleading impressions and unrealistic expectations during his webinars to leads and prospects. Lachlan's comments constantly gives the impression that every trade will meet at least 10ticks/10% every time, is false advertising. Every trade screen shot shown by Lachlan is selective and not consistent and he avoids showing trade screenshots where all the rules were met but the trade did not work. Lachlan indirectly hypes that there will be runner opportunities every day on every trend switch which the Trader's International signals will be able to get every time, is more unsubstantiated hype. He is not being 100% honest upfront from a speaker point of view by not showing visually the winners and losers, which are both sides and the true realities to trading. Also, Lachlan continually avoids/never shows his own personal trade screen shots and his own personal live trading account, which alleges he does not trade his own money at all the way he teaches – not walk the talk.

Traders International are only analysts and only marketers who sell indicator-based systems using hyped returns but provide no hard evidence to backup their returns that they claim they are getting in their trading rooms. They use facebook/twitter to market what other trader's are saying but they avoid/never talk about their own individual trading - because it does not exist. I personally have asked the hard questions with numerous emails/phone calls to the Traders International office and to Lachlan Elsworth - which keep getting ignored and they don't return phone calls. The CEO Afshin (who makes no time for his members), Lachlan Elsworth (who is inconsistent and contradicts himself with bad advice/double-standards about general info and trading methodologies during/between his webinar presentations) and the staff at Traders International do not all trade.

They collate, use and steal ideas and screen shots from their members (including myself) and other traders who email them screenshots, see what's working at the time, and then come up with systems and they take the credit for it. Also, Traders International will not coach you personally on technicals unless you fork out more money to their trading room subscription - I use to be in their trading rooms in the past, it is of poor quality and the moderators are not consistent with themselves and not consistent with each other. The moderators live trade using a test account (i.e. the company's money), however, none of them trade with their own personal money in the trading rooms on what they teach.

All indicators lag and there is no consistency in profit returns over the long term when trading off indicators – I know this because I have been backtesting for over five years trying all sorts of indicators. Price action alone is king – when you know how to read price action only – then you will start to trade successfully and will never need to use any indicators ever again! Stay away from Traders International – their explanation of trading methodologies are continually confusing/contradicting and not consistent as individual moderators nor consistent between each other: this is usually first sign of people not walking the talk themselves when they change the rules/methodology specifics and contradict themselves on a weekly basis. There are better trading education companies out there who charge a lot less, are more consistent and disciplined in their trading methodologies, and also do not charge for access to their trading rooms - however you should never shadow trade from trades called by any trading room moderator - otherwise you will never become an independent trader.

I have been trading for over five years my own personal signal/system which is only price action based – with no indicators because all indicators lag and you should never/ever trade off indicators like Traders International do. Traders International combine indicators and price action to deliberately confuse their members so they can keep them in the trading room subscriptions longer (for revenue purposes) which is unethical. Stay away from trading education companies who try to sell you trading systems with indicators. I have watched Traders International for over five years continually change their indicator-based methodologies – and they use the rubbish excuse that they have to change because the dynamics of the market are always changing – what a crock – if you were price action only trading in last 5 years, you would never have had to change your methodology at all.

Traders International do not walk the talk. Do not believe the hype - ask the two most important questions you can ever ask anyone who makes bold statements about their returns and/or tries to sell you a product - Q1. do they actually personally trade what they preach? Q2. if they say yes, ask them to show you the evidence of all their trade's screen shots and get them to show you (in black and white) their own personal trading account statements to confirm their so-called returns? If they do not show you this – walk away and save your hard earned money to learn from someone who actually does walk the talk and can show you the evidence to backup their hyped returns!

Also, if these so-called professional traders are that good – why are they putting all their energies in working 12-14 hours a day working a job at Traders International, with no time/energy left to personally trade themselves ??? Be very careful listening to Lachlan Elsworth – he is only a very sweet talking marketer and full of ***/hype, who has never proven to his members and prospects that he actually walks the talk with his own personal money !

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Guest

i called my elf a loser because i let somebody like Lachlan leading me and he is a loser him self . if he is a real man he will trade live acout front of us using his lser 5 mints signals the same one he teach, a thief your room dont make mony S of the P stop lying Mother F

Guest

Good Review. I will be getting a call from IDTA today.

Now I know what questions to ask. I will be wary

Guest

traders Rich Malcolm has Free room ,no charge and have one of the best trader that used to make calls in Privet.m to Lachlan so Lachlan me some ticks in his room. check it out traders .

Guest

traders go to free room , no fees he has best trader now , you will make lots of ticks no les than 30 ticks a day for FREEEEEEEEE

Guest

Lachlan lie about every thing somebody was giving him signals in the back in the private M helping him to make calls that trader have Lachlan emails asking him for help I saw these emails from Lachlan to that trader asking him for help and that trader first name if you want know it he is working with Rich if you go Rich Malcolm room we will how that trader name

Guest

Lachlan dont trade live thats why he can not show you his live a count because he think trading is ***. his all office know he does not trade live.

Lachlan i challenge you mother *** to show your live a count to the tadres and make me a lier but i know you can not your theif.

you told me in person in your office mate that you get a trade once every 3 weeks and some time you even lose eith your F dax that you killed us with. show us your live trade if im lying but i know you cant because you are mother *** lier

Guest

Ilost lost of time ,money got headeach trying to make a living but not with a S.B like Lachlan E lier mother *** paid him lots of cash for nothing nothing. one lady in his offic told me in person that he does not trade live because he think trading is B *** make fun of us after we pay him his fees mother *** make comment that tradres think they will be rich after they pay the fees !!!!

Guest

Do never pay this much for any training.It is highly priced for a reason.The reason is they don't expect to be around long and want to make heaps of money quickly.

Be careful also of high priced trainers like this, many reviews for them will be fake.

Anything they are teaching you, unless they have a time machine or something, will be free in any trading book in the public library.

Everything they cover someone else would have covered possibly even more.

If you want to waste 5k on this then please give it to the red cross or world vision, and I will teach you for free these basics.Which really wouldn't get you any higher win/loss than anything else.

Guest

Stay clear of these theives,they overcharge for Stoc and MAcd garbage. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

JUST GOOGLE THEIR NAME,doubt thats the competition giving them a bad name.

Its ex clients.

They have had lawsuits in Texas against them and had 8 complaints against them in the BBB in Houston.

Their daily returns are all ***,totally fabricated and the ones making money are all SIMING just like their 'pro trader'

Nothing Professional about them.

Guest

Traders International, Lying, theif'n Bastards... Donot go there...

Guest

Hi Wookie, I thought I would give you an update on my Traders International Experience over the month of July using their "laging indicator" based system you seem not to believe in. I earn't a 68% return on my capital for the month (LIVE).

Their published results are very accurate and easy to achieve.

I only took the live trades called in their FOREX room.

I entered most of the trades using my iphone based on SMS messages they sent me. I entered, exited and moved my stops and profit targets based on the moderators calls.

Guest

I have been a Traders international member for the last 5 years and find their system, coaching and support brilliant. They continually research and improve the trades they call in the rooms on a daily basis and are very upfront and honest about the profit and losses being realised.

Personally I receive hours of coaching daily at no extra cost by being in the trading rooms. They are there to help no matter how big or small your question is.

In June my cash return on my FOREX live account was just over 100% on capital not positions. Yesterday I had a return of 14% on capital from 2 trades.

I regularly see Lachlan and John moderating in the rooms using their own personal live accounts. On a number of occasions I have seen massive positions traded by the moderators go to profit and loss. They feel our pain when there is a losing trade and share in the satisfaction over the winners.

I am in the rooms every day and night, I log into every support and information session run by TI. There is as much free help and support as you want. The comments about Lachlan's statements are completely exaggerated, incorrect and made up.

The "avoid Traders International" post sounds like it is from somebody wanting to set up a business in opposition to Traders International. I have had a great experience with TI.

Guest

Hi Wookie, I hope that you are having a great day. I will start my post by pointing out some key facts and asking a VERY important question (point 9 below):

1.If you need help with your trading – please ask us! For your own benefit, please stop hiding behind fake names on internet forums making claims that are not actually true.

2. I work at Traders International so that I can give back to a wonderful group of people that actually want to learn to trade. Why – Professional trading, sitting at home by yourself gets very boring very quickly – I love to teach trading and trade the identical system - this is my way of making a contribution to the wider community. If you are a really good trader maybe you can help disabled peopel trade like I do - it is very rewarding.

3. Anyone in the world can trial the live trading rooms for free. FOR FREE! We love this as people can test our system first with absolutely no obligation.

4. We do have live trading statements available as proof of what we do – winners and losers.

5. We are the highest performing Live Trading Room is SE Asia (that we can find) and this is based on the profits being posted in the room by our members... not us!

6. Up to 130 traders watch me use my own PERSONAL TRADING Account every time I am logged into the room.... winners and losers... but you must have missed this!

7. You can follow all that we are doing on Face Book – Teach Me To Trade (the new management team has a very aggressive approach to Actual Trading Education).

8. For every criticiser.... like you... I have over 100 absolutely delighted traders who are all aiming to be very profitable...

9. Are you happy to post your own Live Trading Results Statement on the web for all to see – if you are so critical of what we are doing and our brilliant results you must be beating us hands down... surely this is the case so bring it on I say!!! I look forward to seeing your own personal trading statement on the web for all to see.

Some expanded points:

The profits traders are posting into the live trading rooms are not made up by us.... they are live trading posts from the traders willingly posting both positive and negative results. They are delighted to be achieving this performance.

I am very surprised by your comments. You have personally sat in the office with me and watched me trade my own PERSONAL LIVE ACCOUNT. Last night in the trading rooms I took all trades, winners and losers, with my own live account and over 130 traders witnessed this.... you might have missed this but I do note that no one else did!

I note that you seem to put the same comments on multiple FORUMS using different anonymous names ... why not use your actual name so people can ask you to prove your criticism? Random and anonymous criticism not backed up by facts – how internet!.

In my personal opinion, the only criticism that is worth anything in this world is positive criticism that helps people improve/ makes their lives better. May I suggest you stop criticising what we do, stop posting random, unfounded and not factual comments on multiple forums using fake aliases, actually ask for help from our very dedicated team of professional trading coaches and get on with the job of trading.

WOOKIE - are you willing to publish your live trading statements to prove that you are actually trading live money and that you are actually better than the people that you are criticising .... I am very keen to hear from you on this front.

Enough said. Lachlan Elsworth - Professional Trader and Professional Trading Coach and very proud of it!

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Lachlan Elsworth dont trade live i know that for a fact, every body in his offic know that. he lie about every thihg and i have the aprove of what im saying.

he play dirty games with his mambers.

i challing him if he can make 2 or 3 calls of the 5 mints charts ,lie and steal others members trades and ever body in his office know it.sick in the head, chase his tradres that have good money to steal more of their money. he is Sick in the head.aske him to some trades that full of ***

Guest

Wookie, can you suggest one or two of these other better and cheaper trading educators?

Guest

Traders International do not walk the talk. Do not believe the hype - ask the two most important questions you can ever ask anyone who makes bold statements about their returns and/or tries to sell you a product - Q1.

do they actually personally trade what they preach? Q2. if they say yes, ask them to show you the evidence of all their trade’s screen shots and get them to show you (in black and white) their own personal trading account statements to confirm their so-called returns?

If they do not show you this – walk away and save your hard earned money to learn from someone who actually does walk the talk and can show you the evidence to backup their hyped returns!

Also, if these so-called professional traders are that good – why are they putting all their energies in working 12-14 hours a day working a job at Traders International, with no time/energy left to personally trade themselves ??? Be very careful listening to Lachlan Elsworth – he is only a very sweet talking marketer and full of ***/hype, who has never proven to his members and prospects that he actually walks the talk with his own personal money !

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wookie Pxu
map-marker Brisbane, Queensland

Avoid Traders International

Traders International are only 'analysts' and only 'marketers' who sell indicator-based systems using 'hyped' returns but provide no 'hard evidence' to backup their returns in their trading rooms. They use facebook/twitter to market what other trader's are saying 'but' they avoid/never talk about their own personal trading - because it does not exist.

I personally have asked the hard questions which keep getting ignored. The CEO Afshin, Lachlan Elsworth and staff at Traders International do not all trade what they teach/preach with their own 'personal' money. They "˜collate/use/steal' ideas/screen shots from their members/other traders who email them screenshots, see what's working at the time, and then come up with systems and they take the credit for it – however Traders International moderators do "˜not' give back = they don't send their own screen shots back to their members who initially give to them. Also, Traders International will not "˜coach' you unless you fork out "˜more' money to their trading room subscription.

The moderators "˜live' trade using a 'test' account, however, none of them trade with their own personal money on what they teach. Traders International do not 'walk the talk'. Do not believe the hype - ask the two most important questions you can ever ask anyone who makes 'bold' statements about returns and/or tries to sell you a product - Q1. do they actually trade what they preach?

Q2. if yes, ask them to show you the evidence of all their trade's 'screen shots' and their personal 'live account statements' to confirm their "˜so-called' returns? If they do not show you this – "˜walk away' and save your hard earned money to learn from someone who actually does walk the talk and can 'show' you the evidence to backup their 'hyped' returns! I have been trading for "˜five' years my own personal signal/system which is only "˜price action' based – with "˜no' indicators because all indicators "˜lag'.

Stay away from trading education companies who try to sell you a trading system with "˜indicators'. All indicators "˜lag' and there is "˜no' consistency in profit returns over the "˜long term' when trading off indicators – I know this because I have been backtesting for "˜five' years trying all sorts of indicators. "˜Price action' alone is "˜king' – when you know how to read price action "˜only' – then you will start to trade successfully and will "˜never' need to use any indicators again! Stay "˜away' from Traders International – their explanation of trading methodologies are "˜not' consistent as individual moderators "˜nor' between each other = this is usually first sign of people not walking the talk themselves when they change the rules/methodology specifics and "˜contradict' themselves on a "˜weekly' basis.

There are better trading education companies out there who charge a lot 'less', are more consistent and disciplined in their trading methodolgies, and also do "˜not' charge for access to their trading rooms - however you should never 'shadow trade' from trades called by any trading room moderator - otherwise you will never become an independent trader. Do your "˜thorough' due diligence before parting with your "˜hard-earned' money!

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Guest

I have been a Traders international member for the last 5 years and find their system, coaching and support brilliant. They continually research and improve the trades they call in the rooms on a daily basis and are very upfront and honest about the profit and losses being realised.

Personally I receive hours of coaching daily at no extra cost by being in the trading rooms. They are there to help and no matter how big or small your question is.

In June my cash return on my FOREX live account was just over 100% on capital not positions. Yesterday I had a return of 14% on capital from 2 trades.

The "avoid Traders International" post sounds like it is from somebody wanting to set up a business in opposition to Traders International. I have had a great experience with TI.

Guest

Any body who goes into this whether it be Traders International, or Joe Shyster's marketing scams.com thinking the money tree starts dropping 100 dollar bills bearing fruit tomorrow has no business trading options. This can pay off, but it takes patience, ambition, dedication, and yes, you have to put up some cash.

This is a good place to learn, but thats all, the rest is you. :)

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John Dpd
map-marker Milwaukee, Wisconsin

Great Experience With Traders International

I have been a happy Traders International member for over three years now. My experience with Traders International has been very positive and nothing short of life changing. In the time I have spent with them I have learned to become a very successful trader. They have taught me things that I would have never learned on my own.

Before joining TI I was a very average trader who quite frankly had no "real" idea what I was doing. I lost many thousands of dollars trading on my own learning from books and the Internet. After quite a few years of frustration I decided to look for a trading service that could give me some guidance and help me become a consistently profitable trader. After a lot of research I decided to join Traders International. It is a decision I have never regretted as they have helped me become consistently profitable with my trading.

If you are new/newer to the world of trading, Traders International can truly accelerate your learning curve by providing its members with the education, support and hands on learning in the live market trading room. You simply cannot replace having a professional trader explain to you why or why not a trade setup is a good one or not. I CANNOT overemphasize this point!

The ecourse TI offers is comprehensive and covers many important trading topics in a user friendly step-by-step online video format. Along with the videos TI provides their members with support that is truly 2nd to none! The live online support classes are provided four days a week to answer all of your questions.

The moderators in the TI trading room are always friendly, informative and above all provide their members with successful trade calls day after day. They thoughtfully explain why they are calling a trade and what makes the trade setup a good one. They will also explain when not to take a trade based on market conditions as well. It's this "coaching" before, during and after a trade setup that sets TI apart from other trading companies.

TI is always looking to improve their trading techniques and are constantly looking to keep up with changing market dynamics. What worked well last year might not necessarily work the next. This is what separates TI from a lot of other trading companies; their ability (resources) and willingness to change with the market!

One of the biggest and most successful changes TI has ever made to their trading program is changing from all "Indicator" based trading to "Price Action" based trading. Trading off of price action has absolutely been the most important change I have ever made to my trading style…and I have TI to thank for that!

Is trading for everyone, absolutely not! Patience & discipline are an absolute must! I didn't have either when I first started but TI taught me how important these two personal attributes are. TI has taught me to spot and take high probability trade setups which have resulted in many more winning trades then losing ones. Using the trading knowledge I have gained from TI, I now consistently average a 70-75% trading success rate.

In the end I would highly recommend Traders International to anyone who would like to become a successful trader. If you are newer to the world of trading the ecourse, training and support are absolutely the best you are going to find anywhere, period! If you are an experienced trader looking to become a much more consistently profitable trader then TI is the place to be!

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I think you work with TI to say that great things about TI and we are in the sam room like you. stop lying they wont give you free memder ship for that !!!!

Guest

What Mr money maker said in a previous comment. You should only rely on honest reviews from sites that are dedicated to delivering them.

Not some random consumer... maybe only if there are hundreds of reviews from consumers i would start to believe an average of those.

Guest

This comment is biased, maybe from their employees. I had the same problem with them. What they teach and practice with fake money in their teaching rooms does not happen when you trade your own real money.

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Tracy L Moa
map-marker Highland Mills, New York

Traders International Buyer Beware

Do not sign a contract with these people until you fully understand you will pay for everything before you will ever be able to trade live. By that time you will have paid $6000.00 for course materials and prepaid all of your trading room fees, "to protect you from losses". Magically, after you pay everything you will now be able to make $1000.00 a day. Flag number one. My own fault. I usually research before I buy. I didn't. That's what guarantees are for.

The sales pitch leads you to believe otherwise. They pitch making $1000.00 a day. Playing on emotions, they are sucking a lot of people into their program at a vunerable time in their lives. Many have been laid off from work and assume they can make $1000.00 day in the mornings trading e-minis.

What Afshin neglects to tell you is you won't make that money immendiately. You'll have to wait 6 months. The latter response was from other traders in the room. Flag number two. I wish he had disclosed this one fact on his "online live session". I would not have joined.

The above is like paying a contractor in full for a remodel of your home only to find said contractor won't start for 6 months. And then the contractor files bankruptcy. Not the best analogy, but you get the point.

The most cruel part of this situation is you call and ask them to stop charging your account and their account manager tells you "sorry we have a contract" and then literally hangs up on you. She said she didn't, but I distinctly heard the receiver.

Anyway, so you're out of work and they want to still charge you trading room fees on top of 6 months trading fees paid in advance even after you plead hardship. I don't know about you but these people are heartless. Afshin never heard of negotiation where he comes from.

Well my attorney and the FTC will disagree if I understand everything I've read on the matter to date. Guarantees are supposed to mean something.

Pissed? Do not sign a contract with these people until you fully understand you will pay for everything before you will ever be able to trade live. By that time you will have paid $6000.00 for course materials and prepaid all of your trading room fees, "to protect you from losses". Magically, after you pay everything you will now be able to make $1000.00 a day. Flag number one. My own fault. I usually research before I buy. I didn't. That's what guarantees are for.

The sales pitch leads you to believe otherwise. They pitch making $1000.00 a day. Playing on emotions, they are sucking a lot of people into their program at a vunerable time in their lives. Many have been laid off from work and assume they can make $1000.00 day in the mornings trading e-minis.

What Afshin neglects to tell you is you won't make that money immendiately. You'll have to wait 6 months. The latter response was from other traders in the room. Flag number two. I wish he had disclosed this one fact on his "online live session". I would not have joined.

The above is like paying a contractor in full for a remodel of your home only to find said contractor won't start for 6 months. And then the contractor files bankruptcy. Not the best analogy, but you get the point.

The most cruel part of this situation is you call and ask them to stop charging your account and their account manager tells you "sorry we have a contract" and then literally hangs up on you. She said she didn't, but I distinctly heard the receiver.

Anyway, so you're out of work and they want to still charge you trading room fees on top of 6 months trading fees paid in advance even after you plead hardship. I don't know about you but these people are heartless. Afshin never heard of negotiation where he comes from.

Well my attorney and the FTC will disagree if I understand everything I've read on the matter to date.

Pissed. Yes at myself for acting hastily. Don't follow my example.

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Guest

But, people should buy the book called "The Art of The Trade" from bookstores or Amazon.

The hard truth is people who know how to trade don't talk and people who talk don't know how to trade.

Only 10% traders make money and they are taking money from you. It is a zero-sum game. Money from your account ends up in another trader's account.

TI is basically sucking your money before you even start trading. It's even worse. Their divergence technique is just a re-wrap public domain technique that you can learn from investopedia.com. It's like selling you how to change tires and your car's manual already tells you how to do so.

Wake up.

Guest

Same experience here...

I signed up for TI in March 2009. With the currency exchange as poor as it was at the time it ended up costing me about $10k CDN.

Before I committed I sat in on one of Afshin's sales conferences. A person asked him about achieving the moderators results. He actually got a little snarky and said if you're smart enough to push a button you can make money--and said that TI can't be responsible for holding your hand in pulling the trigger. It rubbed me the wrong way but yet I gave my money over. Over the next few months I lost about $15,000 plus the hours and hours I spent every day on this. The "Pro Room" was particular disastrous for me as I followed the mod into his foolishness. I'm not a dummy and have 7 years of College and University and was just trying my best to follow the moderator. The regular "Trading Room" is really no better and will just drain your account slower--in my opinion.

In October I started in their Forex room. There have been moments of promise but really just plan on sitting at BE for months on end in the real world. Miss one day of trading however and you could be down %25 on the month. I have a half a dozen friends trading in that room with me and they report the exact same thing. After 5 months in the FX room my account is down 20% and that's not including the $1500 that I've spent on my room subscription and the hours each day I've spent. I'm finally packing it in with TI.

To nutshell... my experience was a costly one. I'm a fairly apt person but all I was able to do with TI was lose money. And don't think that you're getting a trading education if you sign on with them. Their "education" just gives you what you need to work with their moderators--no advanced or even moderate level trading education. You just pay your sign up fee to then in turn be allowed to pay their $300/month room fees.

To end everything off when I canceled my subscription the girl seemed to almost take it personally. I was very nice with her but when I was saying good-bye there was no "thanks for spending a year with us... thanks for your support... thanks for your time... hope to see you back... is there anything we can do to keep you"... nothing. Her last words to me were a disappointing "I hope you find what you're looking for"... as if it was my problem that I wasn't successful with TI.

I won't tell anyone what to do. You can all make your own decisions. For me, however, TI was a foolish decision that I greatly regret and I feel really bad that my wife went out on a limb and allowed me to do this because I sold her the same bag of goods that TI had sold me. Now, I'm rewarding my wife's faith in my judgment with vapouriziing $25,000 of my family's money that we really didn't have to waste. I feel equally guilty because I'm responsible for 3 of my friends doing this too and they're all in the exact same boat as me.

Guest

Everything in the main article is 100% correct. Afshin and his assistant Simran are heartless and fraudulent. I have been so disgusted with the way Afshin presents the program. He claims that there is an average of 20 points trading range, which has no way ever come close to that.

Below is an email that I sent to Afrin. I have yet to receive a response from him. Instead he did exactly what I asked him not to do. He sent me to his assistant. She has promised that he would call me last week. It is now Tuesday of the following week and I have still not heard from him. See email below:

(I am requesting that you honor your money back guarantee and refund my credit card with the full amount that was paid to Traders International. Do not send me to Simran. You and I are going to deal with this refund. She does not know what she is doing. She is responsible for me loosing $500 the very first day. She was supposed to set me up with a One-on-One training session with a moderator but instead she sent me to a training video. It was there that I was following along with the video not knowing that I was live.

You make way to many false statements when you are trying to recruit new members. I have heard countless stories from other members that have been with TI for 8 or 9 months that are in the whole by thousands of dollars. Below are some of your false claims:

(You can profit in an up or down market. Even if the market is down you can still average a $1000 a day.)

This is so not true. They are claiming that trading has been bad due to low volume.

(There is more leverage than Stock Trading.)

(20 points range daily average.)

We have never come close to a 20 point range daily average. In fact, we haven’t even broken out of a 5 point range.

(Several trade opportunities every day.

There are multiple trading opportunities per day however our goal is to provide you with a set of high probability trading signals. On average our high probability signals will provide you with over a dozen high probability trades throughout the day.)

This statement is on of the worst. We have had more days of either bad trade calls or no trade calls at all. During February and March combined 20 out of 38 days were negative trades. March’s total alone is -$9.75.

(We recommend you only trade 2 – 3 hours a day. This time frame each day will give you multiple trading opportunities for a 5% to 10% return. Want to make $1000 a day? Want to spend more time with your hobbies and loved ones? All these are possible.)

This also is a lie. I have been in the trading room for an average of 6 hours with either no calls or bad calls per day.

They are very protective about chatting in the room. They are so afraid that someone is going to tell the truth about their false claims that they monitor the chat constantly. They don’t want traders to exchange email addresses either.

I have been in other trading companies trading rooms and you are free to comment on anything. And the comments are always positive. Their room results each week are always positive.

I too made the mistake of signing up with TI before checking into other trading companies. I will never do that again. If you are thinking about signing up with TI, think again. Please check out other companies. They have education materials and training with proven methods for a fraction of what Traders International.

Guest

Hi marie. An excellent well written account of what TI really stand for.

Quite frankly, I am surprised the are still in business. I was another sucked in by the sales pitch of Peter Elsworth in Auckland New Zealand. Unfortunately it took me a year to figure out they were all BS. I think most people around the world have realised they are not traders, or genuine, but rather marketing sales people wanting their commissions.

I am thankful I only got sucked in for $5500.00 and not the ridiculous price tag of $7500.00 they charge now. Also on top of that, if you want the MACD and Stoch indicator for Ninja Trader you have a choice to pay a monthly rental or own them for ANOTHER $1000.00, plus the 250.00 US dollars per month room fee, to make absolutely nothing. There are some real horror stories in NZ and Aust with people enduring losses of anything between $5000 and one lady I know $38000.00 while trading in the Pro Room. I actually did ask Afshin in a webinar why we had to pay the extra money for the indicators.

As soon as he saw the question he said he was out of time and I never got a reply. There isnt one person that I know of in NZ or Australia that has made money with TI. As for me, I continue to trade with my own system that I have developed from other programs. The best system I have found is Top Dog Trading and is ony 1 25th of the horrendous price TI charge.

When Barry Burns decides to give a sale the price tag is only $295.00 and is a thousand times more professional with lots more information. Hope this saves people form unneccessarily losing their hard earned money.There is money to be made in trading but not with TI.

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Sam Dauber

Guest

My issues have been resolved with this company and I have no complaint.

Guest

As it has been said many times: A SUCKER IS BORN EVERY MINUTE! I can't figure out how anyone can possibly be so *** as to think that you will actually make money with such a scam.

What are you thinking?

Are you really that foolish? You deserve what you get if you are really that ***.

Sal Fcc

I signed up for the Forex training 7 months ago. Aside from one bad month I have no complaints.

Without question, Erica is one of the best traders out there. I have a hard time believing some of these comments because it is opposite of what i have experienced.

SR

Guest

Yeah I learnt my lesson with these idiots, scam,scam,scam, there's nothing else to say but learn from our mistakes, do not even poke a stick at these dogs how low can people be and still run a business. And don't forget 21st Century for promoting this piece of ***, they too should be on the SCAM list big time.

Guest

Hello all, I have been sent this article by a close friend of mine, concerned that TI is being misrepresented. TI (Australia) has a brand new management team and a very different approach to trading, and marketing! Before you write off the strategy, TI offer the opportunity for you to watch the senior trading team, trade in the live market, for FREE, for a week, over the Web. The team have done this to offer complete transparency of performance and also give you a chance to test the new signal set. Past and present TI members are loving it, so get in contact with the Aussie HQ and get into the FREE week. It will no doubt dispell some of your concerns and go along way to helping you understand why the changes are moving our traders ahead quite quickly.

(Call +61 7 **** ****).

Have a great trading day, Lachlan.

Guest

It would seem the old adage of "if it seems too good to be true then it probably isn't" may apply here.

Seriously if these guys delivered a thousand dollars a day as guaranteed with a minimum investment then surely everyone would be doing it and no-one would go to work.

Guest

thank you for the information, i m just attending his 5 days trial session ( free) accessing his so called live trades . looks like he is working "hard " to convince audience on the effective trades n making $ .

if i didn't check this out i would also get suck into this "so called making xxxx $ a day ...... hmmmm

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Tracy L Moa
map-marker Pompano Beach, Florida

Traders International fraudulent business practices

Understand if you change your mind about Traders International and decide to terminate their services they will still enforce their contract with you. They do not care what the reason. They will continue to charge even if you stop using the service.

I canceled less than 30 days after joining when I realized the service they marketed wasn't what they advertized.

I've filed with the BBB of Houston, the Texas Attorney General and the SEC.

Also be warned these guys trade "live" on a simulator so their risk trading S&P futures is zero while yours is limitless.

An extremely disatisfied consumer.

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Guest

i would LOVE to hear more Lebolanct!!! please email me more info re them

Guest

thanks for the info, this guy & his group promoting in Asean, KL, Spore, he promoting like as he already made many millionaires in down under ? is it true?

Guest

ok if you want sign with TIIIII aske them to inroll for free for a week to see what money they making you will find zero. Mr Tim one of the moderater always act like he never lost a trade and the funny part about it he never called one live trade in the room.

he is sick controll *** he thik he is the best shoe his trades that he never took only in his CLASS losing room. he just a funy G..

Guest

WOW, seriously? I can't write the word s t u p i d? without having it replaced with ***?

Guest

I fell for the same crooked tactics as many did back in 2009 and traders international = complete scam. Don't bother posting *** remarks like "trading is not for everyone" when that garbage company clearly lures people in by telling them they will make clear calls to buy and sell.

They do anything but that. Also, a car dealership does not misrepresent a car they are selling. What a *** comparison. I'll tell you the correct comparison: You buy a brand new car and 30 days later find out they sold you a lemon!!!!!!!

That is what traders international is to the trading community.

Stay away from this company. You have been warned!!!!!!!!

Guest

Make complaints to the SEC etc. and request a law that schools must trade a live account to prove what they are selling/teaching actually works.

Audited.

The United States BBB is ***. It is not a government agency but private, for profit to protect the businessman, who pays the BBB yearly.

Gifford Mvk

I am still with TI after 3 months. I have made profit every single week for 2 months.

I know more than a few guys in the room who are trading fairly large size , 10-30cont, and they are really doing well. I guess some , like yourself, have a hard time with trading. I would say trading is not for you. Alot of us love it and are good at it.

Its not just you though, I know some others who struggle with it in the rooms.

Trading is not for everybody,, that is for sure.

GRS

Guest

I was with TI for 12 months and lost. There calls are not clear, it's always your fault if you are in a lossing trade, and the moderator does not trade live only in sim. Be prepared to loss money not make any.

Guest

So you buy a car, drive it for 20 days, then return it to the dealer and expect him to waive the contract as if it never happened?

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Darek Bln
map-marker Palo Alto, California

Traders International be careful

Traders International. I am pissed with Traders International, well I should say I am pissed with myself.

I join on my free will on January this year lured by the promises of easy money. There is no easy money especially in trading. The system does not work. The live trading results published on the web site are inaccurate (I have got a prove) in case of so called "24/5" room.

The moderator in the "pro room " makes discretionary calls and not follow "Traders International" methodology". I do not believe the whole think is worth the money. If you are in Australia please remember about time difference between down under and USA. They tell you can make money trading 1 hour a day – I do not think so.

Ask them about trial even payed trial. They will probably tell that you have to learn the system first to be able to follow but as I mentioned in pro room there is no objective system. Ask them about the trading plan and carefully examine the exit criteria. The moderator in "24/5 room Rich Malcolm in mot a trader.

He can not make a decision, especially about exit.

He is full of "ifs, buts, maybes". In my opinion it is much better, and cheaper to by Esignal Advance Get software.

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:? I also would like to hear more about TRADERS INTERNATIONALS TRADING SYSTEM.

Guest

Lachy tell you what you want hear and sale you dreams but keep stealing you money . thief mother ***.him and his *** Platinum class

Guest

It looks to me as if some TI employees are posting very positive comments.

If you from land of OZ it is easy to find out what is really going from TI members.

Go to traders connect web site and ask for contact with one of TI traders group in your area.

I am from Sydney I know of two group Thornleigh and City. In the Thornleigh group there is only one couple who got trading room subscription because this was part of the deal they signed. If you interested to come and listen to what they have to say about TI send me an email and I can invite you on the meeting where you would be able to ask real people what they think about TI.

bigredbrother@***.com

Guest

Hello,

I am interested in trading full time and I am trying to find an HONEST trading partner. If you know of one email me at thegreancompany@***.com thank you.

Guest

stay away from this aholes,they are liars!

6-7000 pplus 300 a month for the trading room.

kazden is a mental psyche job that plays with a sim acct. the course is a bs simple ABC based and divergence *** :upset

Guest

I almost bought into TI back in August of 09. They definitely have a good sale pitch.

What finally soured me on them was while participating in one of their free webinars that they offer 3 times a week, one of their moderators must have been late signing on. the Camstasia program that the videocome through on showed him booting up and all his trades for the day. In one column for the full page that showed flashed on the screen for about 15 seconds showed the word "sim" repeatedly. I can't sit here and say their system doesn't work as I have never traded it, but I will warn you they have a strong sales pitch that you need to read between the lines.

One other problem I have is their signal setting are proprietary. You will never get them, even if you trade with them for years. You will constantly be married to their trading room. Their system is basically a pivot point/divergence strategy which John Person has written some excellent books on.

I would also recommend reading everything you can get by Steve Nison on candlestick charting, and also Jake Bernstein books on technical analysis. If you have the desire and the drive to read and digest all these, paper trade what you learn for 6-8 months, then hook up with a good broker that knows the futures market, you'll do fine.

It worked for me and I spent less than $500 on all the books mentioned. Have a happy and prosperous new year.

Guest

I am not a TI member but am interested in becoming one. By attending their live trade presentation a few times, I must say that it cannot be faked. The ticker and range that they are trading on the sessions are exactly what is shown on the live market on S&P. I am curious on why one comment said it is "simulated". Besides, they would be shut down by now particularly by some of those very rigid countries. Besides, their trading room is live 21 hours per day. How would that be faked once somebody sign up and would attend for 21 hours, if you have the energy? I am asking this honest question because some of those negative comments do not seem credible?

I was on their e-mini session about 3 times, one day they did not have a good day and they agreed as so. One day, they capture profit in 15 minutes. I was in their FX session only once but their results are posted day by day. Again, how can somebody make false results given so many people are in their trading room?

Of course, maybe this is a "pissedconsumer" site so it may not attract the real members who are happy but I hope somebody give clarification.

Thanks.

Guest

i have done well over a 1mm trades in the ES and I KNOW platforms and i saw their site and its on the re-play its totally FAKE!!!!!!! anyone tht buys this withoput seeing a REAL audit is a sucker! and deserves to LOSE all their $$$ lol

lachlan Grj

Hi all, I hope that you are well. I am the Senior Trader for Traders International (Australia) and I was sent this site be a close friend.

A lot of comment here is regarding the previous management team and trading style, not the new one! The company, and its technique, has changed dramatically over the past twelve months, and the trading rooms are now available (in South East Asia) as a free trial, so you get to test the strategy in a live market prior to spending a cent. Big changes made by the Aussie team are set to address all of the above concerns. If you are a past or possible member, call the Aussie office and arrange a free trial, its FREE!

Number is +61 7 **** ****.

Have a great trading day! Lachlan Elsworth.

Guest

the guy that does the trade of the day is simming.

the 7k fee is a total ripoff...most of its basic technical analysis/MM.

Kazden is/was a nut case,Rich couldnt trade out of a wet paper bag. They want 7k and 3oo dollars a day for this?

I feel sorry for the Aussie ppl...data issues/time issues.

In the age of Madoff/housing crisis/ Enron the thieves just keep on coming.

Guest

DO NOT waste your time and hard earned money on this site. One so called "moderator" cleans office building part time and another is a college student studying business, but calls the overnight trades from Europe. They MAINLY called "DS" signal trades, which is simply a slow stochastic divergence setting of around 5-3-3. They offer NO FREE TRIAL and say their signals are "proprietary", and will not divulge the settings. You have to LEASE indicators from them for another fee $49-$99, depending on your trading platform. Their other proprietary "signal" was simply a continuation, or bounce, off their (again proprietary) "T-Wave" , which is basically just simple EMA settings of 10 and 20.

The chat dialogue itself is closed so you can not see other chatters messages, believe me you wouldn't want to. The room moderators only trade in SIM and do not risk one cent of their own money.

They do not teach anything in this room, you just sit there and wait

for a signal to form. Most are for a minimal gain, 1-2 ticks, or a

full stop-out of 6 ticks. Most professionals prey on people who take

trades like these.

Hitting yourself in the head repeatedly with a hammer would be less

painful then shelling out $7,500 or more for this garbage room.

Guest

Traders International are only 'analysts' and only 'marketers' who sell indicator-based systems using 'hyped' returns but provide no 'hard evidence' to back it up. They use facebook/twitter to market what others are saying 'but' they avoid/never talk about their own personal trading - because it does not exist.

I personally have asked the hard questions which keep getting ignored. The CEO Afshin, Lachlan Elsworth and staff at Traders International do not all trade what they teach/preach with their own 'personal' money. They ‘use/steal’ ideas/screen shots from their members/other traders, see what's working at the time, and then come up with systems and they take the credit for it. The moderators ‘live’ trade using a 'test' account, however, none of them trade with their own personal money on what they teach.

Traders International do not 'walk the talk'. Do not believe the hype - ask the two most important questions you can ever ask anyone who makes 'bold' statements about returns and/or tries to sell you a product - Q1. do they actually trade what they preach? Q2.

if yes, ask them to show you the evidence of all their trade’s 'screen shots' and their personal 'live account statements' to confirm their ‘so-called’ returns? If they do not show you this – ‘walk away’ and save your hard earned money to learn from someone who actually does walk the talk and can 'show' you the evidence to backup their 'hyped' returns! I have been trading for ‘five’ years my own personal signal/system which is only ‘price action’ based – with ‘no’ indicators because all indicators ‘lag’. Stay away from trading education companies who try to sell you a trading system with ‘indicators’.

All indicators ‘lag’ and there is ‘no’ consistency in profit returns over the ‘long term’ when trading off indicators – I know this because I have been backtesting for ‘five’ years trying all sorts of indicators. ‘Price action’ alone is ‘king’ – when you know how to read price action ‘only’ – then you will start to trade successfully and will ‘never’ need to use any indicators again! Stay ‘away’ from Traders International.

There are better trading education companies out there who charge a lot 'less' and also do ‘not’ charge for access to their trading rooms. Do your ‘thorough’ due diligence before parting with your ‘hard-earned’ money!

Guest

I am attending the webbinars of Traders International. I m kind of convinced with their approach of business. would any body advise me not to join them?My e-mail is afzalkhan341@***.com

Guest

every body if TI really good which is notas far I saw there room if they have a good St they should let new traders get in the room and watch whats the room make which nothing or minus most of day , they lie and take your money and make you lose even more money specially the AUS room with that sick Lachy

Guest

Does Lachy trade live ? nop because he is a crook and have him to show one week only of successful trading of his bank account.

he wont trade live . he told me this in person.

Guest

I took the TI course 8 months ago. I think now they shortened it up but they have added a FOREX room (I cannot comment on that because I have not been in that room). The trading room I traded in was excellent. I worked with two traders and they were very clear on the signals they called in the trading room. The first month I lost money but it was mostly because I did not do the simulation period they requested I do. I went straight to live money which was my fault. After a month I regained my losses and began to trade profitably. I am still learning to control my discipline. Anyway, I am very glad I took their course and it was well worth my time (and money).

Raymond

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Response to Skye

I have posted 3 responses in a row because I have just found this site. I am all about fairness, the truth, and the right to speak out and like everything there are 2 sides to everything.

I went to the Rockwell site and looked and looked for outside recognition of this company. There wasn’t any. And they have been in business since 2005. They say they are members of the Better Business Bureau (as is Traders International) but no where are there any industry publications or otherwise giving recognition to this company and it’s program.

One of the important factors for me in picking the Traders International course was the fact it has been recognized by leading business magazines and given a lot of awards from the top stock market publications. It also has been in business for more than a decade with members all over the world doing business in 14 countries.

You don’t last if you don’t make people successful.

I got what is right below from a Mark Hodge off the Rockwell site.

"What Type of Trader Are You?"

Submitted by Mark Hodge on Mon, 2009-08-31 16:44

"Having worked with traders all over the world, I typically find that MOST traders fall into one of the following categories:

A) The “newbie” – Someone new to the wonderful world of trading that is mesmerized by the thought of trading electronic markets from his or her home, but has no idea how to get started or where to begin.

B) “Mr. Dangerous” - The trader that knows JUST enough to be a danger to his or her trading account, but doesn’t have enough experience, education, or discipline to trade with consistency.

C) The “Pro” – Although most traders fall into the first two categories, “The Pro” is a trader that has seen success and consistency during their trading career but often search for coaching and guidance when market conditions are difficult, or as they transition from one trading arena to other (example: trading floor to trading screen, or hedge fund trader to independent trader)".

So I would ask which category you fit in? If a newbie then you should never have been in the Pro Room. If you fall into the Mr./Ms. Dangerous category you should never have been in the Pro Room. Traders tells every new member this.

But you state that is where you were trading. Are you a consummate Pro with a long standing successful career? If you were you would have succeeded in the Pro Room as the month after month figures over years prove. No losing months.

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Response to Jack:

Jack, you said you would like to hear from people who are successful with Traders International. I am one of them. I research everything I buy from a mattress to an emini trading course. I looked at Traders for several years before getting involved. It is not the only course in the world but it is one of the top. Not my opinion but it has been written up by a lot of impressive publications as one of the top.

I am in the trading rooms every day and people are making a lot of money on a consistent basis. Nor hearsay but my experience. For me that is the whole point. Also in my research I found that the trading rooms have not had a losing month in the years I had been researching it.

I don’t think a lot more needs to be said about how successful the training is. Not a losing month.

You don’t stay in business for 11 years and keep getting new members added to many thousands over the last decade if the program isn’t successful.

A suggestion. Re: negative posts – for Traders or any other company in any other field. The internet is a place where all kinds of people can anonymously post anything they want. And do. Sometimes they want to promote their own product or set the stage for doing so. Some make a career of tearing anything and everything apart wherever they can put a post. For the heck of it.

All I know is there are lot of people making a lot of money on a consistent basis with Traders International. If you want one of the top rated courses in the world and the best support system that any company offers, Traders International is definitely the right company.

And finally, if you want to be successful at this, you have to have support. Traders offers the best of any company offering emini courses. They have been recognized and awarded for this.

The level of support Traders gives to all it’s members is without any equal. Training is non-stop and if you need individual help at any time as often as you need it, you’ve got it.

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Re: Majster's post.

My experience is the polar opposite. I researched Traders International for 3 years before buying the course. It was a million miles beyond anything out there on many fronts.

What I found – from my personal research so this is my opinion but I will say I am conservative and research anything I do or buy very carefully – so for me it was and remains after more than a year the best course out there from the most stable recognized company in the business with a life-time support system that no other company offers.

First, it has been around for over 11 years. You can’t draw thousands and thousands of members from all over the world for that long and be shafting people.

They do business in the United States, Canada, United Kingdom, Spain, Australia, Israel, Malaysia, Denmark, Iceland, Norway, Singapore, South Africa, Sweden and Switzerland – 14 countries.

Traders International could not be doing business in 14 countries if people were not succeeding. They would be shut down instead of being allowed to expand all over the world.

The handful of naysayers in these posts are up against thousands around the world who have succeeded with Traders International. Also, there is no product in the world that does not have detractors. This is normal for a variety of reasons.

They did not follow the training even if they used the product for 6 mos. They did not follow the time frame to go from study to trading in sim to live trading and discipline that makes you successful or not. They want to promote their own product so they attack the competition (always transparent).

It can pretty well be said these naysayers did not study the course long enough to master it. They did not do paper trading in sim for the months you are supposed to. And they went to live trading before they knew enough to do it. Some sneaked into the Pro Room for experienced traders which you can’t do today but would have destroyed a beginning or intermediate trader’s chances of success. They did not follow what they were taught. They claim to but when you ask for their journals they have none – one of the most important things we are taught so we can succeed.

The founder is a sought-after speaker on trading the markets, at expos around the world. Would he be invited if Traders was nothing but a company of failed students instead of an 11 yr. old company with many thousands of very happy member/traders.

Next, none of the other companies promising great courses have ever been recognized or awarded for their programs by the number of top business and stock publications given to Traders over the years.

Only Traders International has received this kind of publicity so that alone was a primary reason for picking their course. Third party verification.

Next Traders International bends over backwards to make clear that learning to trade the eminis is a process – a pretty long one. They urge you to paper trade for months in sim and you have to start live trading in a very very conservative teaching room.

That teaching room is headed by a guy named Rich Malcom who has been a professional trader for many years. You only need to listen to him for 5 minutes to know he knows as much about the market and trading as anyone out there.

He trades his own money right along with us as he calls each trade.

Last week alone we had the opportunity to make 10 points on one day which is big and 9 the following day.

That is a lot of money in two days. A lot with just one contract. More than one contract and it’s really a lot. $950 for one $1000 contract in just 2 days – twice that for just 2 contracts.

That brings me to the next fact. In the last 3 years I have been following Traders monthly results, they have not had a losing month.

Go to other emini training sites on the internet and see if they post their monthly results.

How do I know this to be fact? Because I trade every day and keep a daily journal on all trades and I trade the full session. So I know exactly what month end results are.

Last, several of these posts have mentioned cost.

What would you pay to learn a course with a company that has not had a losing month?

What would you pay to get support for a lifetime?

What members pay is so small for a lifetime of teaching and support from the best out there it is ridiculous it is so low.

No other company offering to teach emini trading comes close to what Traders International offers or the recognition it has received.

I challenge anyone to find another company in business as long as Traders International, with as much press from the nation’s leading business magazines and stock publications recognizing it’s program, doing business very successfully in 14 countries with thousands of successful traders around the world.

The following is from an interview the founder of Traders International did with a leading business magazine in September, 2009. The magazine acknowledges that Traders has not had a losing month for the last 2 years in the face of the collapse of the market 2 years ago. I have been following it for 3 years and there has not been a losing month and I know people who have followed Traders longer than that and have not seen a losing month. What would you pay for this?

If you are going to buy a course, what more can you ask for. Here are 2 interview questions asked of the founder by one of the countries best known business publications.

Q: Traders International’s method has made money since the collapse of the market in October of 2007, a time when many were losing money. How?

One of the most important reasons is because we are scientists of the markets. We constantly research the markets and test different trading methods to find the most profitable strategies. This enables us to construct the best methods because they’re based on proven research. Second, it doesn’t matter to us if the market goes up or down; we can trade profitably either way. Third, we don’t care what the market is going to do tomorrow, next week or next year. We are literally in and out of our trades in minutes.

Q: What sort of person might consider trading?

Who should not consider trading is anyone looking for a get-rich-quick idea or who is not willing to put in the effort to learn. It’s no different than anything valuable in life; it requires practice to succeed.

There it is. No ‘luring’. No unrealistic promises. Nothing but the truth and the principles Traders International stands on. Printed in a national magazine for all to see.

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