Team 237 - FRC Team 237 - Black Magic

It's ironic how the points of the first review are skipped and or mentioned; a review should contain constructive criticism just not generic praise without addressing the issues at hand. Now to the parent who reviewed, of course your child was very involved even as a freshman; as being a parent on the team grants your child benefits kids without a parent on the team have to slave for in labour to earn respect. Even labouring still doesn't give you the greater status of having a parent within the club. Of course your child would stay; as you contain a "high" position for being a parent. The mentors and how you view them is your opinion, however the way I view some are completely opposite. Having a mentor with a child on the team give's that childlike stated above a greater status; I.E. giving the child an unfair advantage in terms of development and the almost fascist team leader system. If you need to rely on people; or so a "team" for your child's maturation into adulthood, that is harrowing because it's your job to raise your kid to those standards, not other peoples or a "team". New mentors coming into the group doesn't change the fact that policies put to still have the seniority system and authority system are still intact and in effect. Of course a group like yours would have an open attitude to new young students; more students parallel to more funding to be "used" for the group. Having a desire to be involved doesn't change the fact the group is run in dictatorship like way; preventing skilled individuals to succeed whilst those not skilled to learn. You state maturity is needed to be involved; whilst having a team member who got away with sexually harassing a younger team member and only getting a light punishment. Participation is key to the success of a group, but who would want to participate if they know they will not have any power due to not having a parent or being in the club for four consecutive years. As a parent you only look forward to watching your kid's growth; as if you would care about other parent's children unless there was a mutual bond of friendship between the families. Seeing young mentors grow into believing that success is dictated by not skill but by having money or seniority or a slighter edge is horrible, as it will lead to failure later in life most likely. To end this, to any prospective students considering to join Team 237 be forewarned of the overarching issues this "team" contains and the nature of how it operates. Going in with the right attitude, with a parent of course or monetary wealth to support the team will give you power; but without it nothing but labour. It sure did change my high school experience; as it taught me how not to be and how "teams" and other activities such as Boy scouts social manipulate adolescents into rubbish like this. Cheers!
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#790256 Review #790256 is a subjective opinion of poster.
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Watertown, Connecticut

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As a parent who now has his second child on team 237 I am sorry to hear you felt this way. My first child was very involved even as a freshman, and continued to be so throughout the 4 years on the team. I was impressed by the inclusive attitude of not only the mentors and leaders but also of the students. This team and my child's experience on it facilitated my students growth as a person immeasurably. I might even argue it was the single biggest factor in my students growth to adulthood. Now with my second child on the team, there are new mentors in addition to the more experienced ones that were there with my first. However I still see the same open attitude to new young students. Two things do have to happen though that are controlled by the student. First you must show your desire to be involved and also ask to be involved in the specific area you are interested. Second you must show the maturity to be allowed to be involved. If I were to add a third it would be that even if you do these first two things, you must be willing to participate in a different area of learning if you first choice is just not feasible due to there being a large number of students already involved in your first discipline of choice. Learn another area and work your way into that first choice over the coming years. As a parent I look forward to watching not only my students growth going forward but also the young adult mentors growth as teachers and communicators. They too are learning and it is exciting to watch. To any prospective students considering this team. Please join! Go in with the right attitude and it just might change your entire high school experience as well as your life beyond.
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#785403 Review #785403 is a subjective opinion of poster.
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Waterbury, Connecticut
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FRC Team 237 - Black Magic

Small town communities, and small town functions are always thought of to be charming upon first glance. They’re small, quaint, and supposedly humble, as the connotation goes. Small and quaint they may be, Team 237 Robotics has been anything but humble in the ways of which it approaches its numerous endeavors, and serves as a highlight of just how exclusive, contained, and even elitist at times, a small town community can be. Before I cover some of the more overarching issues, I’m going to begin discussing intrinsic issues, the club also has had numerous examples of elitist behavior promoted by both its members and the inherent design of it. Let’s begin with the seniority system. The seniority system restricts authority to only the highest grade-level peers, ensuring seniors always hold top authority regardless of general ability. You have to have stayed in the club for four consecutive years, or your seniority is effectively tarnished and you’re far less likely to achieve automatic seniority benefits within the club. This system forces new members to the club to demonstrate their ‘dedication’ by being assigned trivial jobs for the first year or even two years of their time at the club, which ultimately can dissuade new members due to the dismissive nature of the senior leaders and the rather resolute way in which they are forced into jobs. Always ones to impress, there was a previous attempt at adopting an electoral system into the club that allowed the ability for lower grade levels to obtain activities, benefits, or responsibilities similar to those of a high seniority level, however it was eventually dismissed. An electoral system, or at least mindset, would have encouraged the club to become more group oriented. After pressuring and not entirely honest tactics were used by upcoming seniors to influence and promote their ‘rightful seniority’ from being threatened as it were, the previous leader was forced to step down. The new leaders had then entirely abolished the electoral system, content with their power and ability to command others that they had waited and counted on since, presumably, their freshman year at Team 237 Robotics. Drawing back to previous points, the ‘robotic’ nature of which members are handled isn’t entirely uninfluenced or equal to all who participate in the club, which doesn’t sound like an immediate issue at first, but one must realise the following if they consider this club: Those who donate money will be given special treatment and exemptions, those whose parents are involved with the school or the club will be able to conduct executive meddling as necessary and will hold authority regardless. Let us not forget that there are numerous activities that can be mandated by the seniority leaders, such as meetings, fundraisers, and so forth. Failure to attend will not always result in consequences, depending on your seniority, status, and whether or not anybody of higher seniority wants you gone. In a modern school that’s taken some form a stance against bullying… why is such an archaic seniority system present in such heavy effect? Eventually, one must come to the decision of attending a club. Membership since new leadership and recent dramatic debacles has caused this club to lost popularity among students quickly, and the harsher nature of the new leaders has forced it to once again experience a drought of members. What this club realises is that it is not a luxury for the town, its existence is not beneficial or desirable to the town, and its existence is not something the town needs to be expected to uphold. It should not use aristocratic walls to bar itself from the common citizen, and it needs to be more open to the concepts of paying for goods, gauging proper advertisement and employment for those positions that cannot be covered by students, and become more open to the concept of being truly humble to the townspeople. Additionally, when it comes to new practices not yet made widespread in smaller towns, the club needs smart individuals and perhaps aid to be caught up with the times. Yet, despite this message having been conveyed before, it has been dismissed as irrelevant simply due to the speaker, solidifying the issue of this club’s self-image. Possible improvements would be revamping the seniority system into a democratic process (which is more effective on small scales, especially when everyone should know of each other, like a school setting- in that instance one’s desired seniority may even come to fruition if they are determined to be legitimately intelligent enough to hold it by the members!), learning proper advertising and modern publication tactics. A flyer of theirs said to visit their site at one point, only for it to be down upon visit, which was quite questionable. I don’t know of their internet department, or if they have one- but it is imperative that they either hire a proper web developer or find a student with the capabilities to do so post-haste if they’re going to use their website as an asset. I personally would not recommend this club under any circumstances until it improves.
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#1255399

First of all, I apologize that you felt this way. However, as a past team member for many years, this is completely false, and completely biased.

Even if you had a bad experience with that team, I can bet that you only had a problem with one or two people on the team, and not the entire people on the team.

The "electoral college" thing literally makes no sense, and it is false. Our past captains never stepped down from their position.

Also loved how you made 41 different accounts and disliked the comments that make sense, and you liked your own comments 41 times as well.

Way to go. You officially have no life.

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@PissedConsumer1255399

Apologies are not needed, as the truth is more important for the general public. Being a past team member creates a prejudice on your view of this organization that is run in financial means rather than prowess in select technology fields.

I have never stated I had a "bad experience" as you're assuming so; it just weakens your utterances of rubbish. Betting is not a way to argue or live, as bets are uncertain and can be false in nature. The "electoral college" notion does make sense; as you cannot comprehend it due to the already existing bias on your end.

Inferring those forty-one likes were solely one person honestly shows your foolishness to fact. Be mature and don't make silly remarks that people don't have lives; as everyone has a life and some greater than others.

#1107893

As a parent who now has his second child on team 237 I am sorry to hear you felt this way. My first child was very involved even as a freshman, and continued to be so throughout his 4 years on the team.

I was impressed by the inclusive attitude of not only the mentors and leaders but also of the students. This team and my child's experience on it facilitated my students growth as a person immeasurably. I might even argue it was the single biggest factor in my students growth to adulthood.

Now with my second child on the team, there are new mentors in addition to the more experienced ones that were there with my first. However I still see the same open attitude to new young students.

Two things do have to happen though that are controlled by the student. First you must show your desire to be involved and also ask to be involved in the specific area you are interested. Second you must show the maturity to be allowed to be involved. If I were to add a third it would be that even if you do these first two things, you must be willing to participate in a different area of learning if you first choice is just not feasible due to there being a large number of students already involved in your first discipline of choice.

Learn another area and work your way into that first choice over the coming years.

As a parent I look forward to watching not only my students growth going forward but also the young adult mentors growth as teachers and communicators. They too are learning and it is exciting to watch.

To any prospective students considering this team.

Please join! Go in with the right attitude and it just might change your entire high school experience as well as your life beyond.

#1111996
@PissedConsumer1107893

It's ironic how the points of this review are skipped and or mentioned; a comment should contain constructive criticism just not generic praise without addressing the issues at hand. Now, of course your child was very involved even as a freshman; as being a parent on the team grants your child benefits kids without a parent on the team have to slave for in labour to earn respect.

Even labouring still doesn't give you the greater status of having a parent within the club. Of course your child would stay; as you contain a "high" position for being a parent. The mentors and how you view them is your opinion, however the way I view some are completely opposite. Having a mentor with a child on the team give's that childlike stated above a greater status; I.E.

giving the child an unfair advantage in terms of development and the almost fascist team leader system. If you need to rely on people; or so a "team" for your child's maturation into adulthood, that is harrowing because it's your job to raise your kid to those standards, not other peoples or a "team". New mentors coming into the group doesn't change the fact that policies put to still have the seniority system and authority system are still intact and in effect. Of course a group like yours would have an open attitude to new young students; more students parallel to more funding to be "used" for the group.

Having a desire to be involved doesn't change the fact the group is run in dictatorship like way; preventing skilled individuals to succeed whilst those not skilled to learn. You state maturity is needed to be involved; whilst having a team member who got away with sexually harassing a younger team member and only getting a light punishment. Participation is key to the success of a group, but who would want to participate if they know they will not have any power due to not having a parent or being in the club for four consecutive years. As a parent you only look forward to watching your kid's growth; as if you would care about other parent's children unless there was a mutual bond of friendship between the families.

Seeing young mentors grow into believing that success is dictated by not skill but by having money or seniority or a slighter edge is horrible, as it will lead to failure later in life most likely. To end this, to any prospective students considering to join Team 237 be forewarned of the overarching issues this "team" contains and the nature of how it operates. Going in with the right attitude, with a parent of course or monetary wealth to support the team will give you power; but without it nothing but labour.

It sure did change my high school experience; as it taught me how not to be and how "teams" and other activities such as Boy scouts social manipulate adolescents into rubbish like this. Cheers!

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