Satvatove Institute

It's about surrendering to Satvatove, to David and Marie's inconsistent whims, to their self-serving vision, or holding on to your humanity. And it is a choice.

A cult doesn't necessarily have to be a "religious" cult. Satvatove is a secular, Lifespring therapy cult.

I feel so grateful for this website.

It is undeniable that Satvatove facilitators, coaches and volunteers have their own agendas. And that these agendas are far more important to them then your own vision for your life.

When you become aware of the gap between who you want to be, and who Satvatove demands that you be, it can elevate your motivation to change what isn’t working.

Hope infused with this motivation will help you be more receptive to intuitive guidance from your unconscious, ultimately helping you to break free from the coercion of the Satvatove cult. When you listen to the intuitive guidance and follow through, it builds a relationship of trust between your conscious mind and your unconscious mind.

David and Marie are incompetent as healers, but the Lifespring script that they strictly follow is good for destabilizing people, and pushing them deeper into the modes of passion (raja-guna) and ignorance (tama-guna).

I don't regret my Satvatove experience. If not for Satvatove, I would likely never have discovered this wonderful website. And if I had not discovered this website, I would have never learned the truth about Lifespring.

One can feel the legacy of John Hanley Sr and Werner Erhard very strongly in the Satvatove environment. And the legacy of Srila Prabhupada?

Barely.

To those who are put off by Hare Krishna, don't worry. There is almost nothing in the essence of Satvatove that has anything to do with Krishna or with Srila Prabhupada.

The error rate for eye-witness accounts is about 50%. I would take positive Satvatove testimonials with a grain of salt.

Satvatove practices and models terrible boundaries. They make use of antiquated pop-psychology practices from the 1970s, which are potentially harmful, especially to the vulnerable and those suffering from PTSD.

People get addicted to attending and working hard in the name of 'service' and not getting paid. Very narcissistic, 'know all' approaches to the clients.

Clients get high after attending and then may crash some time after. Tread carefully if you are considering attending.

Many cults recruit through our friendships and family ties. Persons we already trust are devastatingly effective recruiters.

I got entangled with the Satvatove cult - and I was no sucker.

I had above average awareness of cults. Despite this, I got (temporarily) entangled with them.

It's amazing the degree to which I closed my heart after the Satvatove advanced seminar. Not only to other people, but even to God.

The claimed good that Satvatove does is fake, but the damage they cause is real.

How can we keep David and Marie honest and accountable? Is it possible?

David and Marie are violators of the soul. Satvatove is violation of the soul.

The purpose of Satvatove is to undo Srila Prabhupada's work and to poison his legacy. One can feel this at a very deep level. David and Marie's hatred for Srila Prabhupada is overwhelming.

I took part in the Satvatove basic and advanced courses. After the experience, which was a highly charged, I felt high, as if I was on something.

And I felt very powerful. But I did not feel like me. During the advanced course, I also felt cheated, and in retrospect, I wish I had left early. But at the time, I didn't want to waste the money I'd spent, so I stayed.

I thought that only by completing the course, would I improve my life. At the end of the seminar, I said little. I knew something wasn't right. And when I left, I knew I was not going back.

On top of all that, someone in our seminar had a horrible psychological breakdown and injured themselves in the seminar room. There was blood and strange behavior. The first article on this website, linking Satvatove to Lifespring, was a Godsend. I Googled Lifepsring and later also learned about other similar seminars, like Landmark, MITT and Momentus.

I spent time reading articles and accounts online, from participants in seminars that were very similar to Satvatove and then I saw parallels to the smoke and mirrors that Satvatove uses. I did not feel high and powerful at the end of the Satvatove seminars because of the amazing therapy or "spiritual" principles. I felt high because they had stressed me out, both physically and emotionally to such and extent, that they had tripped my body's dopamine levels to a high. And that is why we all felt hypo-manic.

And they use waking hypnosis to instill fear in you. I read about that online, in the context of other seminars. Once you understand it, you can see how Satvatove uses it. One reason I got affected by the experience was that I was in a low place.

And I would try anything to get out of that place. But my natural skepticism saved me from Satvatove. During their courses, they divert your attention from their tricks in various ways. You participate fully in difficult, emotionally- and psychically-draining experiential exercises ("processes").

This takes over much of your thoughts, so you have little space to notice much else. They assign new meanings to words you know well and if you're open minded, it sounds plausible and you get sucked in. And before you know it, you start believing that black is really white and white in fact means black and now the world makes much more sense. This is reinforced by others around you.

A lot of their ideology is total nonsense but it sounds clever at the time and it binds you to them, because only other Satvatovians will understand what you're talking about. Anyone else can see it is meaningless. Of course, there is some good basic psychology on human relationships in there. And many people who simply attend the basic course, and if their lives are okay when they go, may quite enjoy the experience.

It's time out of their busy lives, to take stock and other people they meet are often interesting. The good psychology stays with them but they forget the slight weirdness of the experience. And so these people may doubt the naysayers. But I see this group as dangerous for anyone in a vulnerable state.

A primary aim of Satvatove is to get people to sign up for their courses and to get others to work for free. So if you go hoping for new insight into life which will sustain you, you will not find it unless you give over your life to Satvatove. But then you are trapped.

I did witness group humiliation by volunteers and the course facilitators, when anyone challenged anything or disagreed with the Satvatove way. There are better ways to spend your money and I suggest that you don't need Satvatove to make the most out of your life.

How would I sum up the Satvatove high, in one sentence? Falling feels like flying, for a while.

Go to *** David and Marie.

It's okay to stop pretending that Be-Do-Have is sattvic. It's okay to stop pretending that Satvatove is sattvic.

I hated my Satvatove seminar experience and I wish that I had tried to sue them. I think you have a limited time-window within which you can sue them.

To live Be-Do-Have is to maintain a highly rajastic ("passionate consciousness") state of being. To pretend that Be-Do-Have is sattvic ("clear consciousness") is to engage in self-deception. When we not only live Be-Do-Have, but also convince ourselves that Be-Do-Have is sattvic, then we add tamasic consciousness ("delusion") to the mix.

Satvatove is anti-sattvic and anti-sanity.

I don't HAVE to speak out against Satvatove. Rather, I GET to speak out against Satvatove. And I am grateful for this opportunity.

I feel grateful to this wonderful website, for freeing me from the Satvatove mental conditioning, and for helping me find my way back to my true self. Haribol.

I haven't been around Satvatove for years, but my experience was ghastly, long lasting, and life-damaging. I gained little from the program that I hadn't already gotten elsewhere, apart from some theoretical knowledge about active listening.

The irony is that they don't practice active listening, though they describe it fairly accurately. It's mostly a bunch of reframing mixed in with gaslighting.

I would strongly advise anybody and everybody to stay well away from them. You may have gotten away in one piece, if you didn't ask the wrong questions, or make the wrong observations within earshot of the wrong people, but not everyone is so lucky.

To the extent that we’re genuinely living intentionally, living on purpose, with purpose, then there’s no room for manipulative groups like Satvatove and there's no room for life-draining people like David Wolf and Marie Glasheen.

When I live Be-Do-Have, or when I live Satvatove principles, I feel so profoundly disconnected from my real self. As I metaphorically flush Satvatove principles down the toilet, more and more every day, I feel myself reconnecting with my true self and essence, and also with God and with Srila Prabhupada.

David and Marie self-identify as having certain qualities, and they present to the World as people with those qualities. That is their "being", and it serves to make themselves feel a certain way, and it puts them into a specific psycho-physiological state.

But it's okay to pay more attention to who they really are, as shown by their actual behavior (their "doing").

It's okay not to be taken in by Satvatove's word games and mind games. It's okay to distinguish illusion from reality.

It's okay to question the ideas that Satvatove takes as self-evident. It's okay to research the history, methods and teachings of Lifespring.

It's okay to trust yourself more than you "trust the process". It's okay to expect ethical behavior from David and Marie, and to hold them accountable.

It's okay to feel disgusted by what you see and experience in Satvatove. If after careful consideration, you see that Satvatove is not a good thing, it's okay to speak out about that.

Satvatove is a façade. It's Lifespring behind the mask.

The purpose of Satvatove is the suppression of the real self.

Lifespring (of which Satvatove is basically a carbon-copy) was a national movement in the 1970s and 80s. Hundreds of thousands of people went through Lifespring seminars.

The company had offices in at least 30 different cities: San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, Philadelphia, Chicago, DC. And the folks Lifespring signed up weren't just lost twentysomethings. They were CEOs and politicians and government officials, people with their hands on the levers of power in America. DARPA, an arm of the Pentagon tasked with creating secretive cutting edge technology for the military, put their top people through Lifespring.

Lifespring said it was on a mission to change people's lives but it didn't always change them for the better. You can find dozens of lawsuits filed by Lifespring participants, who claimed the seminars scarred them for life. One man walked out of a seminar and had a psychotic break, then stripped naked and assaulted a cop outside of a church. A woman swallowed a bottle of sleeping pills because she couldn't get the voice of her seminar leader out of her head.

Another woman said that after the seminar she suffered from epileptic fits, anxiety attacks, chronic depression and tried to kill herself. And then there was David Priddle. The guy jumped off the top level of a building. But it isn't easy to track down these allegations.

Lifespring had worked hard to bury them. When people came forward with horror stories about Lifespring, the company cut them a check to drop their lawsuits and keep quiet about what happened. Lifespring shut down in the 90s. But apparently Hanley never stopped putting on seminars.

He's still going to this day. Now, when you see a video of John Hanley for the first time, there's something familiar about him. He sounds just like David Wolf and Marie Glasheen, and just about every other seminar leader. But maybe that's backwards.

Maybe they all just sound like him. Hanley seems like an okay guy. It's difficult to reconcile his confident persona with the fact that he's responsible for all the damage Lifespring allegedly caused, or the fact that he's potentially putting a new generation of people at risk right now, because of his influence on copy-cat groups like Satvatove. If you ask Mark Fisher, a Pulitzer, prize winning journalist at the Washington Post, who investigated Lifespring in the 80s, he'll tell you that John Hanley is a con artist, a grifter, a man whose only goal in life is making money, no matter who gets hurt along the way.

Hanley was a convicted felon. You know, he'll probably go to his death without revealing just to what extent he is consciously trying to rip people off. And if you ask Scott Nugent, he'll say that John Hanley is something even worse, he's a force of evil. A man allegedly responsible for the deaths of at least three people, including Scott's aunt.

As you piece together the real story of Hanley and Lifespring, you get a story about a kid who got his start running small time scams in Milwaukee, with a guy named Dirty Old Fred. Hanley had been convicted of a felony before he turned 25 and he joined a pyramid scheme and rose up the ranks, until the US Government shut it down for defrauding people out of more than $250 million. In one version of the story, John Hanley didn't even start Lifespring.

He stole it from one of his oldest friends. And then he somehow transformed himself into a guru and started a movement that swept up David Wolf.

The euphoria they feel may become addictive like heroin. And like any addict they feel the need to keep using.

This means further group involvement through the Satvatove post-graduate support system.

But like heroin, their high fades, despite increasing dosages. And ultimately, like any mood-altering substance, its effects can be debilitating.

With Satvatove's help, you can look at a bad situation, and through a fairly simple exercise, you can draw conclusions about it that make you feel good. You use the power of creative interpretation to infer positive outcomes.

Essentially you make up your own reality, by selectively ignoring the facts in front of you. Got a bad performance review at work? Well forget about that—your negative reaction to it is just a "story" anyway—and remember the time last year when your boss said "Good work." Problem solved! (or to put it more clearly, Problem ignored!) At Satvatove you have peers telling you it's perfectly ok to think this way.

If you're a Satvatove facilitator or volunteer, it's ok to automatically assume, for example, that it's the unsatisfied Satvatove seminar participant's problems, not yours, that are causing their negative opinion of your company. Why face problems if you can simply decide they don't exist?

Werner Erhard stole some stuff from Scientology, who came after him hard. He created EST, which became The Forum.

Lifespring is supposed to be quite similar to EST. And Satvatove is clearly very similar to Lifespring.

I wonder how similar Satvatove is to EST. Anyway, Erhard and L Ron Hubbard had a lot more in common—they were both carpetbaggers who abandoned their wives and kids and then made millions telling others how to take responsibility for their lives.

David, Marie and Daru Brahma wear dark glasses, made of their own egotism. These are so opaque that they can barely see you through them.

Satvatove's "Be-Do-Have" does not come from the Bhagavad-Gita, it comes from L Ron Hubbard: https://***/florida/201410-great-city/what-is-scientology/the-conditions-of-existence.html

David and Marie do not understand the Lifespring processes that they are subjecting people to, nor do they understand how those processes work. Their egos are so deeply emmeshed with their roles as facilitators and coaches, that they always double down, even when they are clearly doing more harm than good. They are living in an alternate reality of their own construction.

Satvatove is the opposite of help.

The term "transformational coaching" has been THE term for the type of work that came from Lifespring. When someone says "I'm a transformational coach" or "this is transformational coaching", that means that they're close to the new wave of what Lifespring became.

Lifespring-based seminars like Satvatove will have all the old Lifespring experiential exercises, like the "Mom-Dad dyad", "the red black game" and the "hug line". It's like playing Lifespring bingo.

Satvatove? Unfortunately, I took two courses before finding info about Lifespring on the internet.

Satvatove is not all bad. Yes, some get something out of it. The ones I worry about are the ones that are allowed to take it that have severe emotional problems. That is irresponsible.

Yes, they are not completely open. Most of what I've read complaining about Lifespring is true and much of it applies to Satvatove also. The worst parts of Satvatove are irresponsibility about disturbed people, heavy proselytizing, and attempts at mind control.

They prey on the weak that need real healing, just like Scientology and Lifespring. Once I read about the histories of Werner Erhard and John Hanley, I knew immediately they were phony used car salesmen, who saw an easy scam.

It's a breath of fresh air to read an honest review. The positive reviews of Satvatove on here are quite something.

We have individuals who are trying to deal with their own cognitive dissonance about an organization they perceives in a certain way, and other's -- MANY -- perceive in a different way. Honestly, a Satvatove review is supposed to deliver some information that would be useful to potential seminar participants. These positive reviewers just play mind games with themselves...and, are possibly even encouraged to do so by the seminar facilitators. As usual, no attempt is made to listen to, understand people who have opinions other than their own.

That would be pretty normal if one really cared about exploring a gap in perception. Their reviews are nothing more than Satvatove commercials.

Misdirection is the foundation of prestidigitation...and of Satvatove.

Satvatove co-founder David Wolfe took the Lifespring course, when he was younger. And Lifesprng was very similar to EST.

And as everyone knows, EST was based in some Scientology processes and doctrines.

Not at all surprised Satvatove uses brainwashing techniques, loud music, etc. These innocent and vulnerable seminar participants will wake up one day and realise the negative side effects they are experiencing in their life are attributed to these brainwashing techniques.

Satvatove, like Scientology, attempts to drill congruence out of people, to the point they can become a blank personality or a synthetic one. That is in keeping with their teachings that the way to achieve something is as simple as Be-Do-Have.

That is, figure out the personality traits of someone who has what you want, then act them out as you do as he or she does, and before you know it, you will have the fruits you sought. Sincerity and genuineness (read congruence) are not included in the equation. Certainly there have been mavericks within Scientology, and within Lifespring-derived trainings, who have had the courage or sense to be themselves. And their results reflected that.

But, every single one of them was eventually caught up with and either expelled from the ranks or converted into a play-acting automaton. Satvatove, like Scientology, creates conforming, compliant minds.

Satvatove pretends to combine Lifespring ideas with Srila Prabhupada's teachings. But in reality, it distorts his teachings, to dovetail them with Lifespring. Lifespring is a jealous god.

Satvatove people treat their processes and doctrines as though they were handed down by God. They are unwilling to look at these as the fallible creations of human beings, with possibly mixed motives. And because of this, they have closed themselves off from the feedback loop from reality.

The experience of people in the Satvatove seminar outwardly appears difficult. But when the application of the Lifespring techniques stops, some of them become ecstatic.

Have they achieved a sattvic state of inner peace? Or are they happy that the traumatic thing is over?

While Satvatove certainly exists as a supplement to religion for some, to look for an official theology or liturgy, one could glance at Scientology or even further back to the New Thought Movement of the early 1900s. However, if Satvatove had an official doctrine from which it sprang, it would be Leadership Dynamics Institute (LDI).

LDI was started by William Penn Patrick, owner of Holiday Magic Cosmetics. He designed methods of self-growth for his staff, particularly salespeople, which included physical beatings and locking people in coffins. Before any accusations were proven, LDI was closed. Two famous students emerged from these seminars: Werner Erhard and John Hanley.

Erhard started est.

Hanley started Lifespring. A Lifespring graduate named David Wolf started Satvatove.

If you have a tendency to "people please", Satvatove will try to use that to their advantage. It's amazing to see some people sing the praises of what is transparently a manipulative and self-serving scam of an organization.

I never thought I would personally experience an assault of psychological manipulation of a real cult. I'm genuinely surprised that David Wolf's conscience doesn't compel him to close down Satvatove and make amends to the people who participated in his courses.

Any investigative reporters or adventurous folks willing to video tape the REAL experience at a Satvatove seminar (last day, in particular) and publish on YouTube, BitChute or Rumble???

That would certainly provide everyone clear evidence in a real, black and white form of the truth of what really happens behind closed doors. These comments are my personal opinions based on my experience with Satvatove, and not intended in any way to be malicious, untrue, or libelous.

Satvatove bombards their seminar participants with images and ideas that obscure Lifespring's real philosophy and intent. Satvatove's actual strategy is to manipulate unconscious psychological factors to further their own ends.

Propaganda does not change the content of the unconscious itself--it manipulates its target by confusing one's conscious relationship toward the unconscious. L Ron Hubbard mandated this exact propaganda trick in the dissemination and marketing of Scientology.

Satvatove is mass-production oriented and cult-like. Not surprisingly, these negative qualities can be traced to Lifepsring's and Satvatove’s attempts to short-cut vital client-centered principles.

The more failure in producing a confident, independent-minded, self-determined client, the more Lifepsring-derived trainings introduce personality control mechanisms. That is probably the most cardinal of sins imaginable in actual client-centered philosophy.

With pressure to deliver on Satvatove's promises of immediate and permanent results, the training of practitioners becomes a rajastic, assembly-line like activity. On the one hand that helps to thoroughly crash train some workable skills, while on the other hand, it omits a more contemplative, sattvic, intellectual appreciation for the agencies at work that actually create a desired effect and the responsibilities that go with such practice.

Unlearning Satvatove is an opening of the heart.

Regret is your guideline. If you feel regret about having trusted the Satvatove process, that's your inner voice telling you how to live your best life.

That's your conscience guiding you! God is encouraging you, trying to keep your actions in alignment with your life's purpose, so you can fulfill your destiny while on the earth.

Once people begin to understand Be-Do-Have at a deep level, they realize that they have been living this way for a long time, but that they just didn't have a name for it. And living Be-Do-Have is what caused their quality of life to gradually deteriorate.

When one lives Be-Do-Have for long enough, one's life becomes so bad that one begins to look for remedies. Some of these people end up looking for those remedies in groups like Satvatove.

But since Be-Do-Have is at the core of what Satvatove pushes, those who turn to Satvatove for answers end up taking poison as though it were medicine. True healing and transformation begins when one moves beyond Be-Do-Have and summons up the courage to let go of it.

The Satvatove seminars utilize "experiential" exercises that dredge up deep traumas. In theory, the purpose is to bring things that you have repressed from your subconscious to the conscious level.

The dogma, or the idea, is that you can really face your demons head on, understand them, and eventually release them. The trainings do a great job of pulling up these repressed traumas. However, due to the very low empathic ability of the two Satvatove facilitators, these traumas do not get fully released, and some people will get stuck in traumatized loops afterwards. Unless they follow up with cult deprogramming, there is no mechanism for catching these things.

Satvatove is heavy handed when it comes to promoting their courses. They can be quite pushy/salesy.

Try your best to not be influenced by this. Best wishes.

Be-Do-Have is poison for the soul. Satvatove is poison for the soul.

This wonderful website helps us to see Satvatove's ugly face as it really is, without the mask. And in doing so, it allows us to heal our Satvatove-wounds, and to give them meaning.

The more honesty and transparency, the more open my mind will be about something, even if I don’t like it. This is why it is difficult to respect Satvatove.

The writings of people who have left Scientology can offer interesting insights for those looking to more deeply understand what was done to them in Satvatove, and what they did to themselves and to others, while under the influence of Satvatove ideas.

The three organizations of Erhard’s Transformational Technologies, John-Roger’s MSIA, and Hanley’s Lifespring, dominated the Human Potential Movement in the 1970s and moved deeper into the corporate world in the 1980s. Satvatove carries on this same scam artist tradition.

The Lifespring processes that Satvatove administers put seminar participants in an extremely vulnerable state. And it's really easy for Satvatove facilitators and volunteers to take advantage of them.

A lot of the tactics, it's either fear or flattery. "You know, I can see how special you are." And what's tough is that there's so much shame already around therapist abuse, and then you layer all these various Lifespring thought-reform techniques into it, and the abuse of power. And it just gets complicated. And there's even more guilt and shame, you know.

And like: "Maybe, did I bring this on myself?

And do I want to talk about these things?" People come to Satvatove looking for healing and they stumble into the wrong people, people like David and Marie. It's pretty obvious that the Lifespring techniques are a powerful brainwashing tool, but also that the people who administer the, the Satvatove facilitators, are interacting with people at their most vulnerable.

A common experience among the Satvatove survivor community is the phenomenon of "waking up." Waking up is the realization, often sudden, that the treatment one received within a program was wrong, immoral, and even abusive. It can be a disorientating, uncomfortable, and emotional process both for the survivor and for their loved ones, as they quickly shift from a positive or neutral view of the program to a negative one and begin to acknowledge and cope with the trauma they experienced.

Abusive programs like Satvatove work hard to get their subjects to believe the abuse is normal or justified, often through a regime of "seminars" and "coaching" that is aimed at destroying the self-worth and independence of survivors. Seminar participants and coaching clients are bombarded with messaging that they are unloved and unlovable, that they deserve their abuse or that traumatic experiences were their fault, and that the program is saving their life so they should be grateful to their abusers. Attack therapy, LGAT (large group awareness training) seminar tactics, cultish love-bombing and jargon, and other fringe practices are presented as normal and mainstream, and Satvatove survivors often have no way of knowing the truth. This can engender a sense of trust and gratitude towards the program and causes many survivors to realize they are being abused even as the abuse is occurring.

Often, some piece of the psyche understands the true situation. However, a thought-stopping pattern arises, where doubts about the Satvatove program are subconsciously suppressed to avoid the cognitive dissonance inherent in the situation. Sometimes, these thought-stopping patterns are not sufficient once a survivor joins the survivor community and is exposed to frank discussions of the practices and circumstances within the Satvatove program. Hearing someone else describe the program in realistic and honest terms can provide a new paradigm with which to view the experience – a paradigm which can prove hard to deny.

This seeds of doubt can grow and blossom in the mind into the healing realization that one was abused. This starts the "waking up" process. Satvatove survivors often begin to mentally review their memories of the program, examining each scenario with their newfound clarity. They begin to question long-held assumptions.

This can be an extremely painful process. Some survivors may struggle with mental and emotional well-being during this time and may be prone to outbursts and become disruptive, or they may become withdrawn and depressed as they begin to cope with the reality of their trauma. Not every Satvatove survivor has the same experience. Some remain aware of the abuse during their program.

Others come to this same clarity very soon after leaving. But waking up is an extremely common occurrence among survivors, and may not occur for years or even decades after leaving the program. Sometimes, the longer one has been out of the program, the more intense waking up can be.

Because of this situation, the resultant emotional turmoil may be completely uncontrollable for a Satvatove survivor, it’s important to be understanding, compassionate, and empathetic with those who are waking up. Hare Krishna.

Satvatove is a trance-formational training.

Though the Satvatove Institute is distinct from the Lifespring company, Satvatove could be said to be part of "Greater Lifespring" or "the Lifespring Movement", since it clearly follows the Lifespring traditions and worldview and use the Lifespring experiential exercises (aka "processes"): https://***/2022/10/30/good-cult-podcast-explores-the-lifespring-movement.html

I will pray to Krsna for the destruction of Satvatove.

Stay away from Satvatove. If you are a well-adjusted person in a good place, it will be a waste of time and money.

If you are in a weak place in your life (money, job, family, love life) they will exploit it by filling you with "empowerment" and other feel-good mumbo-jumbo. I had a very bad experience with them.

Paradoxically, I agreed with many of the lessons the facilitators were giving, but they don't tell you anything that can't be found in any self-help book, or licensed therapist, or some beginning philosophy classes. Their authoritarian tactics of not allowing discussion during training lectures, or to question the facilitators, raises too many credibility questions.

For all the effectiveness of the training regimens instituted to teach the skills of communication in Satvatove, perhaps the most important client-centered ability is not only omitted but the opposite is trained in. That is congruence.

Congruence is the term Carl Rogers uses to describe a person's natural ability to fully and comfortably be themselves, without imposing themselves upon the client. Congruence is being oneself as a person, and not attempting to conceal it by creation of a façade, like the false self created in Satvatove. By establishing congruence the client has the security of the sense of knowing exactly where the facilitator, coach or volunteer, stands at any given moment.

Without congruence they do not. That is critical in establishing the conditions necessary for self-actualization.

I, too, have had “the Satvatove experience.” In fact, I attended the basic and advanced courses. Fortunately, I finally woke up to the fact that I was involved with a cult.

Most of us have the notion that a “cult” refers primarily to those people who sell flowers on the street and ask for donations.

Consequently, when a well-dressed, professional, articulate group like Satvatove is introduced to us, we don’t recognize it as such. Actually, Satvatove utilizes the same mind control techniques common to most cults: group hypnosis through guided visualizations, playing unfamiliar games for no apparent reason, submission to a leader/facilitator through an enforced set of “ground rules,” and intolerance for questioning anything having to do with the validity of the group.

Part of healing from the Satvatove seminar (and coaching) experience includes reevaluating, and letting of, the Scientology dogma of "Be-Do-Have", which Satvatove forcefully preaches. But in addition to freeing oneself from Be-Do-Have, it can also be of great value to carefully reconsider the Satvatove dogmas of "survival mode" vs "living mode".

What is the actual effect of these contrasted concepts on one's consciousness?

And for those who are interested in Srila Prabhupada's teachings, how do these concepts relate to Srila Prabhupada's comment about "enough sense gratification to keep body and soul together"? It's can be worth looking at deeply, courageously, introspectively and honestly.

In retrospect, there really is no such thing as a free lunch. To truly benefit from Satvatove, you need to prepare in advance for the experience.

I wish I had known that Satvatove used the same structure that Lifespring used, and many of the same experiential exercises. I went into Satvatove very unprepared and that limited the benefit that I was able to get out it. I wish that the Good Cult podcast (about Lifepsring and its derivatives) had been around when I did the Satvatove seminar. That podcast is the single best introduction to this type of healing modality.

If people know in advance the details of the processes that they will be put through, this would greatly increase the potency of the seminar. In general, when Satvatove graduates promote the course to friends and family, they are very vague about the actual details of what will take place in. This is unfortunate. Not knowing what you are in for certainly creates an element of surprise.

And this undoubtedly adds to the emotional drama of the seminar, but it also unfortunately impedes its healing potential. Do you simply want you friends and family to have a temporary emotional dopamine high? Or are you committed to helping them find deep and long-lasting healing? I'm a bit embarrassed by how lazy I was in getting ready for the seminar.

I could have invested time in reading Steven Pressman's book Outrageous Betrayal, but I just couldn't be bothered. That book goes into the history of Lifespring and reading it would have allowed me to have a more profound and positive transformation during my seminar.

If you ever wonder why Satvatove people behave so unethically, look into the history of Lifespring: https://***/index.php?threads/lifespring-the-self-help-cult-that-breaks-minds.69879/

I would not recommend Satvatove training to anyone for anything under any circumstances. There are many much safer options such as counseling from a licensed professional, group therapy led by a mental health professional, continuing education from an accredited institution, local support groups run by credible social service agencies, nonprofit organizations or churches/temples.

Getting advice from an old friend, mentor, or family member, would be preferable to attending a Lifespring-knockoff marathon training seminar with strangers. Satvatove has no published peer-reviewed study that offers scientifically measurable objective results to demonstrate that its training produces anything tangible, such as a lower divorce rates, higher grades, increased income, less need for medication, or professional counseling among its graduates.

Instead Satvatove offers testimonials that record the subjective feelings of its graduates. No one doubts that Satvatove training influences the way people feel.

I found the following review of the Good Cult podcast on Podvine: "Fantastic insight and the story is told exceptionally well! There is a group called Satvatove in Florida that operates very similarly to Lifespring.

I watched Satvatove irrevocably change a close friend.

Groups/ cults like this must be exposed and shown for what they are because they destroy peoples lives, relationships and families not to mention the financial aspect. Keep up the good work!!"

This website is clearly an expression of very deep love towards Marie, David and their various Satvatove cheerleaders. It may be "tough love".

It may be telling them things that they don't necessarily want to hear. But it is real love. We are taking a stand for them. We know that they don't have to settle for a life of defrauding others and victim-blaming people who they've put into a hypo-manic state.

I know and believe in my heart that they can make an honest living and contribute something of actual value to their fellow human beings. They are capable of more than peddling the used-up wares of conman and felon John Hanley.

Word jugglery aside, you are basically paying David and Marie to put you into a manic state. The company should be called "Rajastove".

For me, to withhold my valid criticisms of Satvatove, is to live inauthentically. Submission to Satvatove, in and of itself, is not actually a good thing.

Lifespring-derived transformational trainings like Satvatove are rajastic, rather than sattvic. In 2017, John Hunter completed his PhD in psychology, contending that these brutal forms of Lifespring-style "personal development" trainings trigger a bipolar state (hypomania/mania), and that this experience contributes to a kind of religious conversion. This is consistent with what I experienced and witnessed during the Satvatove seminars.

For years I didn't speak out, because of fear. I didn't promote Satvatove either.

That would have been total self-betrayal. But I didn't speak my truth. Why was I so scared of what a bunch of con artists would think about me, or would say about me?

The answer lies in the "fear process", which takes place early in the Satvatove seminar. if you've read about EST or Scientology, you may already know the experiential exercise that I'm referring to.

What is Satvatove's educational mission? There is no educational mission in the traditional sense. Satvatove shows you how to suspend critical thinking and embrace a lifestyle where Satvatove is the foundation of your well-being.

A self-help company called Lifespring marketed itself as a “personal-growth seminar group” and became popular in the 1970s and ’80s. But this organization stirred up controversies and held many sinister secrets.

It attracted hundreds of thousands of followers who believed the seminars changed their lives and could also change the world. But at what cost? Lifespring faced lawsuits from trainees that allegedly experienced adverse effects after taking the seminars. Many attendees claimed they suffered psychotic breaks afterward, some attempted suicide, at least 4 people died, and others checked into hospitals for months at a time.

River Donaghey’s parents attended Wings seminars, which, like Satvatove, is based on Lifespring’s teachings. Some believed Wings was a cult. In the "Good Cult" podcast, River digs into his family’s history, his personal experiences in Wings, and investigated Lifespring’s strange world. Along the way, he unearths the company’s controlling and deceptive tactics he did not know about as a kid.

River shares what he learns about Lifespring’s leader, John Hanley, a con artist and convicted felon who became a New Age guru. As River investigates, he begins questioning his childhood and the seminars that are still happening today. On the podcast, River takes listeners inside one of Lifespring’s seminars, and we’ll hear how John carried Lifespring forward in the 1990s. I think I may check out Kast Media’s “Good Cult”, from episode 1.

I'm curious to hear about River’s experiences, about why he wanted to investigate, and I'd like to hear a complete breakdown of Lifespring.

The episodes run less than 35 minutes on average. Supposedly, we get to hear from River’s parents, we get insiders’ perspectives from former Lifespring members, and all kinds of other stuff.

That "breakdowns" that some people experience are part of the Satvatove process. You are confronted with new ideas… some make sense, and some cause you internal conflicts.

When you combine that with being tired, feeling the pressure to act in accordance with what the rest of the group is doing, and feeling motivated to "transform," a good number of people experience temporary psychological traumas. That’s part of the legitimate criticism surrounding transformational trainings that typifies a Satvatove meeting. It’s NOT HEALTHY.

It’s manipulative. It causes real problems.

Satvatove pressures (and often manages to get) participants to do things they usually wouldn't do. I feel ashamed for what I did in those seminars. But I'm not going to let that shame keep me silent.

Satvatove "transformation" is a process. It can be healing, validating and valuable to look at the process clearly, deeply and with eyes open.

Throughout the whole process, there is a feeling of helplessness in the face of Satvatove's impersonal machinery of control, which is carefully engendered within the seminar participant. The participant who receives the Satvatove treatment not only begins to feel like an "animal" but also feels that nothing can be done about it. No one pays any authentic personal attention to them as a spirit soul. Their complaints fall on deaf ears.

Everything that happens to them occurs according to an impersonal time schedule that has nothing to do with their needs.

The following states are created systematically within the Satvatove seminar participant. These may vary in order, but all are necessary to Satvatove's "transformation" process: (1) a feeling of helplessness in attempting to deal with Satvatove's impersonal machinery of control; (2) an initial reaction of "surprise"; (3) a feeling of uncertainty about what is required of them; (4) a developing feeling of dependence upon the Satvatove facilitators and volunteers; (5) a sense of doubt and loss of objectivity; (6) feelings of guilt; (7) a questioning attitude toward their own value-system; (8) feeling of potential "breakdown" (ie, that they might go crazy); (9) a need to defend their acquired Satvatove principles; (10) a final sense of "belonging" (identification).

Satvatove is transformative, but in a bad way.

I wish to thank Pissed Consumer for your interest in an organization, Satvatove, which in its destructiveness is infiltrating various cities. Having myself been briefly involved with Satvatove, I see the desperate need of our community to be educated on the dynamics of cult membership.

Satvatove has been determined to be a destructive cult, and yet enrollment in the Satvatove trainings continues. The truth is that anyone can be sucked in, and unfortunately, too many are. Motivational/self-improvement cults such as Satvatove attract the goal-oriented, successful individuals of our society. It is frightening to think that various people, over the years, have taken these courses.

Many are still victims (yes, victims) of Satvatove’s manipulation. The mind-bending, brainwashing techniques used by Satvatove are very subtle, and those involved are totally unaware that they have been brainwashed or that they are involved in a cult.

Be-Do-Have is totally rajastic. Was there ever any doubt about this point?

The Satvatove seminar program was not so much developed by David Wolf as it was customized by him. It's a fairly unimaginative repackaging of the standard three-tier Lifespring program.

We could say that it's Lifespring, with a few Hare Krishna words scotch-taped over top of it. I attended two consecutive Satvatove events, with the hope of learning about social and emotional intelligence. I share my opinions based on my very real, face-to-face, personal experience with Dr David Wolf, Marie Glasheen, volunteers, and staff of the Satvatove organization. The Lifespring program that they deliver was first popularized by John Hanley Sr and it's dangerous.

Its design shows a familiarity with thought reform techniques. It's quite culty. I never thought I would personally experience an assault of psychological manipulation of a real cult, which is why I was easy prey. The Satvatove organization should to be investigated by authorities and probably closed down.

The public is potentially in danger and deserves to be protected from David and Marie. These two frauds scammed the gullible for years, what a couple of sleazebags. And they have an army of minions/volunteers, who are specifically trained by them in the use of fundamental mind control techniques, classic of cult methods for coercive persuasion. They put people in physically or emotionally distressing situations, to weaken their resistance to their Lifespring dogmas.

Satvatove seminar participants' problems are reduced to one simple explanation, which is repeatedly emphasized. And at the end, seminar participants get a new identity based on the Satvatove group.

The rajastic sense of urgency that Satvatove promotes helps to focus us, and removes distractions in life, but it can take a toll on our health.

Satvatove is an inversion of Krsna Consciousness, much like Satanism is an inversion of Christianity.

I think part of the artificial euphoria, the "high," that Satvatove (and Lifespring before it) engineered into the ~programs~ was a direct result of having the burden of a long slog through traditional psychotherapy lifted from the minds and the souls of their customers. How relieved many must be at having the prospect of a painful, unflattering, and protracted self-examination waved away by the simplistic and superficial "magicians" who call themselves "facilitators." (LOL - reminds me of those TV experiments where they show how many people are willing to give up their PIN numbers, withdraw money from their bank accounts, and hand it over to a man posing as some kind of "officer" in a rented uniform.

It's the uniform, or white coat and clip-board in Zimbardo's experiments. Most people will take orders from an "authority figure," even if that "authority" is just a costume, pose, or phony title.)

I was not impressed with Satvatove's slapdash and manipulative training. "Slapdash-tove" would be a better name for them.

You’re so much more than the limiting beliefs and attitudes that Satvatove holds. When you decide to change your life, that's when your "Satvatove tapes" become stimulated.

They resist real and positive change. They limit your beliefs in your capabilities.

But now that you know where they come from, they don’t have as much influence over you. You can choose to stop listening to their lies.

Be-Do-Have thinking is spiritually and psychologically crippling. It has nothing to do with Krishna, with sattva-guna or with Srila Prabhupada. It has everything to do with L Ron Hubbard's "conditions of existence", and it is a foundational principle of his Scientology cult.

There is a difference between repeating Satvatove verbiage, and actually living Satvatove. To live Satvatove is to fall asleep to God, and to become numb.

It is to take the coward's path. I know that now. I'm beginning to come alive again now and it's painful. It's really painful.

It's like being born.

But it's true. It's true.

Satvatove is Lifespring, basically. Though there are a few superficial differences.

John Hanley founded Lifespring in 1974 and dissolved it in the mid-1990s. It was a positive and empowering experience for many attending its trainings. But there were allegations of harm. In 1987, Marc Fisher wrote an exposé on Lifespring in the Washington Post.

Fisher explained the company’s early growth came to a crashing halt in the early ’80s following a rash of bad publicity about psychotic episodes and even deaths during and after Lifespring trainings. Did Lifespring help people? What went wrong? How could the same organization do so much good for some and such harm to others?

Why do groups like Satvatove carry on that same Lifespring tradition, despite knowing full well that they will seriously harm at least some of their clients? Are such people simply considered to be collateral damage?

If someone is seriously harmed by Satvatove, does that even matter? What stories do David and Marie tell themselves about those people?

Breaking free from Satvatove is an internal process.

The rajastic culture of Landmark is very similar to the rajastic culture of Lifespring-derived trainings like Satvatove: https://***/watch?v=5G5pur55bt0&t=8230s

You'll notice that the pro-Satvatove reviews on here are using tactical communication, to attempt to control and manipulate you. That IS what Satvatove is all about, after all -- getting other people to do what THEY want them to do.

But because Satvatove teaches deception, under-handed emotional extortion, and covert influence, it's not ethical. It's slimy.

It's a reflection of the mind of the jerk who concocted Lifespring, John Hanley, who was a con-man and felon who fashioned his tricks and tactics into an "awareness training" that made him lots and lots of money. It's sad when you think about it -- these scammers don't give a fig about anything resembling "commitment" or "integrity", but they sucker in those who do with their counterfeit cult-versions.

Is Satvatove a cult? Yes, although not an overtly religious one. Like other cult organizations, Satvatove includes volunteer labor and fostering of dependency through vague promises, humiliation, psychological abuse, and a turning away from reality.

Satvatove is emotionally dramatic, but quite impersonal.

It is conceivable that given the destabilizing power of the Lifespring brainwashing techniques, a Satvatove seminar participant could imagine that any scenario could have happened, while they were under the effect of those techniques. Unfortunately, that then becomes the perfect smokescreen for any allegation, whether it's true or not.

It's clear that there are huge risks around the Satvatove seminar, because it puts vulnerable people in an even more vulnerable state. But you will at times hear stories about how it has profoundly improved some people's lives. Is Satvatove truly worth the risk? There is also an interesting aspect of victim blaming to the Satvatove seminar.

They teach that seminar participants have to hold themselves responsible for whatever experience they get into. They are basically teaching you that it "takes two to tango". But they omit that in a situation of power imbalance, it takes one person to abuse their power. And this is a telling omission for people who are administering the extremely powerful Lifespring techniques, to people at their most vulnerable.

David and Marie are themselves deeply under the influence of Lifespring ideas, while they are facilitating these seminars. So if there's no neutral third party there, and the people administering these Lifespring techniques have this victim blaming viewpoint, that's a pretty worrying situation. It sort of makes you think, you know, how far do those views spread among people facilitating other Lifespring-derived seminars? And is there a culture of psychological abuse in these seminars?

It's patently clear that the wellness industry is growing and growing. People want a life changing experience that's going to make them feel better. And they've found something that can potentially do that. I've see the potential that the Lifespring brainwashing techniques have, both in other people and in myself.

Some of them seem to feel happier, truer, more at peace with themselves. The power of these brainwashing techniques can't be understated. But with techniques that make you that vulnerable, there needs to be some form of regulation, some sort of system that prevents abusive experiences from happening. For me, the Satvatove experience harkens back to Srila Prabhupada's teaching about "the cheaters and the cheated".

I would say that if we want to be cheated, then Destiny will bring us in contact with Satvatove. Or to put it differently, if we have bad intentions, we will be brought into contact with bad people (like David Wolf, Marie Glasheen and Daru Brahma).

It's okay to disagree with Satvatove and it's okay to question David's and Marie's motives for doing this program. If you think that Satvatove is a bad program, it's okay to acknowledge that to yourself and to others.

You don't have to cop out, using weasel-word statements like "Satvatove just wasn't for me", which invalidate the fullness of your experience. If you think that Satvatove is bad, and that David and Marie have questionable motives, then it's okay to express that.

Getting real about Satvatove will help you and it will help others. It's okay to break code silence.

People who strive to Be-Do-Have seem to "project" their own stuff onto others, much more than the average person does. It seems to be difficult for them to truly listen to others and to truly see others as they are.

When Satvatove people look at others or they talk to others, all they can see is themselves. They don't talk with you. They talk to themselves.

At you. In your presence.

When it comes to Lifespring-copycat seminars (Satvatove is one of many), people seem to believe their particular seminar has done a lot for them, but based on empirical studies, they seem to not do much beyond make the participants have an increased internal locus of control, for maybe a few weeks. Some people do one training and walk away just fine.

Others get addicted to their particular seminar company (dependence, basically), for a while. And a small (but very important) percentage have some sort of a psychotic breakdown.

How do you respond to Satvatove when they don't meet your expectations?

I participated in Satvatove, an offshoot of Lifespring. John Hanley founded Lifespring in 1974 and dissolved it in the mid-1990s.

In 1987, Marc Fisher had written an exposé on Lifespring in the Washington Post. And Lifespring certainly had its failings. Unfortunately, some people died. Did Lifespring help people?

What went wrong? How could the same organization do good for some and such harm to others? Before he founded Lifespring, Hanley had run scams with his father-in-law. Was Lifespring Hanley’s latest scam?

Is Satvatove also a scam? I’d have to admit that a few Satvatove volunteers did go overboard at times, when they felt the ends justified the means. This is similar to what I've read about happening in Lifespring.

Maybe Marie and David should have zero tolerance when it comes to "renegade" Satvatove volunteers? Perhaps there is a high-level of self-importance among some Satvatove volunteers?

After my "final stretch" process, during the Satvatove advanced course, I thought to myself: "is this a cult?: Yes, it was a significant and impactful experience in my life. I met some people and I learned about the techniques of reflective listening.

And yes, it is a cult. And yes, some people, me included, had terrible post-seminar experiences. My guess is a lot of people struggle with exiting the fold.

I got out before the PACT training...I couldn’t recruit others into Satvatove, in good conscience. AND the inner voice of my heart said “Run!” In retrospect, I dodged a BIG bullet.

As we start to let go of habitual thought patterns that we picked up through our contact with Satvatove, our behavior also begins to change as a result. And it all feels like awakening from a bad dream.

If you feel a lack of "havingness", then retail therapy can be a self-sabotaging way of coping, as it depletes your bank balance, pushing you further into a sense (or even into a reality) of lack. An even more destructive way of coping it to engage in Be-Do-Have thinking, since that depletes your very sense of self, and leaves you feeling existentially "lacking", no matter how much money or good things you may have in your life. Consider that carefully.

Speaking my truth about Satvatove works for me.

David and Marie's hatred for Srila Prabhupada is so loud that it is difficult to hear the valuable things they want to share.

My honest experience of the Satvatove seminar, especially after careful consideration of it, is incompatible with Satvatove's dogma of Be-Do-Have.

People who run these seminars need to understand some basic things about psychology, even if they have no interest in becoming a psychologist. What's a psychotic break?

What does it look like? How do you handle it? How do you talk to the family? How do you talk to the other seminar participants who witnessed it?

What do you explain to the doctor? Most facilitators (including David Wolf) are not sufficiently equipped to deal with the energies that they are unleashing. Most start out being thrown on stage with a handbook on how to whip a crowd into an emotional frenzy. Finding out you can make a bunch of people scream and cry and share their secrets with a room of strangers is a powerful feeling.

Maybe too powerful. This job is made for you to lose your mind. Literally. Being a seminar facilitator, standing in front of a bunch of people and being adored by them, and people telling you that you're great and telling you that you saved their life...it's something that most human psyches are not ready for.

But if you don't have your arrogance under check, you won't be able to see all the "red flags" that are being waved in front of you. And you see this a million times in these trainings. That's one of the things that's dangerous. It's the arrogance of the facilitator.

I think back to a passage from John Hanley's memoir. You know, John Hanley used to say "People go the college and in their freshman year they have an intense breakdown and they commit suicide. And when that happens, do you blame the University? Do you say, 'Oh the college is bad, we should shut down colleges'?

" Lol, that's a very interesting thought experiment with a lot of mental gymnastics. if a University is claiming to make people's lives better, and claims to make people feel better, and someone commits suicide...try using that logic again. But if you have a company that promises people that they're going to do better, and you don't deliver in a big percentage of people and event hurt some of them, time to freaking stop and realize what you're doing. No.

you either learn to adapt for every type of human being who you have in front of you, or stop calling yourself a facilitator. How would a more qualified facilitator deal with the person during our seminar who harmed themselves? Should someone with a background in psychology have noticed the warning signs before things escalated in the seminar room that day?

Maybe part of the problem is that these facilitators don't have sufficient qualifications. And to be certified by the ICF, they weren't required to.

I did not feel high and powerful at the end of the Satvatove seminar because of the amazing therapy or deep conversations. I felt high because they had stressed me out, both physically and emotionally, to such an extent that they had tripped my body's dopamine levels to a high.

And that is why I felt the way I did. Satvatove was one the fakest and least spiritual things I ever participated in.

The Good Cult podcast is hosted by River Donaghey, who grew up in a knockoff of the Lifespring "Personal Growth Seminar Group", which has since been identified as a cult. Lifespring is where Satvatove gets their jargon, experiential exercises, worldview and seminar structure from.

It's also where they get their attitude from.

That attitude, which is a version of the perennial classic "I get to do what I want and if you don't like it that is your problem." The story is a very gripping journey through River's journey of peeling back the layers of misinformation & deception through conversations with former Lifespring members and victims, including his parents and family members of folks driven to suicide and untimely deaths by the seminars. It's full of cognitive dissonance and heartfelt moments.

If your experience of Satvatove conflicts with what its cheerleaders report, then consider allowing yourself to speak up. It may be difficult for Satvatove cheerleaders to really hear you, with an open heart and mind.

But that doesn’t change the fact that this website reflects real people’s experience, even if that’s different than the experience of Satvatove cheerleaders. Only way to get the full picture is to have both sides of the story.

There's value to getting heavy, deep and real about this. Anyway, I love this website, find it very informative, and thank the people running it.

It's okay to admit being traumatized by the Satvatove experience, or traumatized by the "final stretch" process. We don't have to keep lying to ourselves and others, to protect David and Marie.

Over time, this causes our World to feel smaller and smaller. It’s more difficult to trust and allow people into our inner world, even innocent people who have no connection to the Satvatove cult.

Relationships become fraught with insecurity and doubt.

Satvatove trauma wears many disguises. This is just one of them.

"Havingness" is a feeling or perception that can exist without reference to Scientology, Be-Do-Have, or Satvatove. When I think of "havingness" I would use the English terms "fullness, contentment, security, happiness." And I might add to me it is more a mental or spiritual state than one of actual physical possessions.

I get havingness from observing and appreciating collections of things. I love going to a high-end grocery store and seeing a beautiful produce department for instance. I don't need to buy any of the veggies; but I sure like feeling the abundance of Good Things Around Me. I get the same feeling in a giant used bookstore in my city.

There's nothing in that experience that requires Scientology, Be-Do-Have, Satvatove or anything related to it. Nor does havingness speak to how often you feel it (consciously or otherwise). I might argue that most of the time, most of us have acceptable-to-good havingness.

However, it can be useful to recognize when you lack it, so you can fix it in a healthy way. For instance, we can think of people who feel a little lost engaging in "retail therapy", or in "Be-Do-Have" thinking -- which may or may not be healthy responses.

The concept of Be-Do-Have is quite useful for understanding Satvatove's failures. I'm sometimes surprised by how often people mistake "Being" for "Achieving." One example is people who say that Satvatove facilitators and volunteers are incompetent or badly-intentioned.

They confuse "being a competent and well-intentioned facilitator or volunteer" (in their minds) with doing ("helping people", or "feeling and expressing genuine empathy") or the end result ("people generally being better off, after a Satvatove seminar, or coaching session"). Such critics forget that "Being" is in no way dependent on "Doing" or "Having" (the end results). In fact, it is very possible to "Be" a highly competent and well-intentioned Satvatove facilitator and coach, without actually helping anyone via your facilitating and coaching (the "Doing"), and in fact harming them instead, and continuing to harm them, despite understanding the effect that you're having. You can still "Be" a highly competent, intelligent, introspective, ethical, perceptive, well-intentioned, expert and thoughtful Satvatove facilitator and coach, even if you knowingly cause long-term harm to every single person that you come into contact with.

And even if every person who comes in contact with you, is significantly worse off for the experience. I sometimes wonder if there is a pre-Hubbard source for Be-Do-Have, and I don't mean artificially reading it into texts like the Bhagavad-Gita. I'm curious because I don't yet know where L Ron Hubbard lifted that particular concept from. Was he intelligent enough to invent this mind-bending idea, or did he plagiarize it from more intelligent people?

The Be-Do-Have stuff is among the items that I haven't encountered elsewhere.

Or to put it differently, I've seen plenty of people use it, post-Hubbard, but have not yet found a source where Hubbard might have gotten it from. Perhaps it is his "gift" to the World.

The problem with raja-guna (the mode of passion) is that it partially blocks our connection to God. When we have our consciousness in the goal, or when we live Be-Do-Have, we are deeply embedded in this mode of passion.

I acknowledge that Satvatove pretends that Be-Do-Have is sattvic, but pretending is not enough. The rajastic nature of Be-Do-Have acts on our consciousness, regardless of the story that we tell ourselves.

Most of the Satvatove processes and concepts are plagiarized from Lifespring, without attribution.

If a friend or family member invites you to take part in a Satvatove seminar, it's important to recognize their invitation for what it is: a cry for help.

Those who promote Satvatove on this website show little genuine interest in facts or historical context, just their own "experience," which if taken at face value, is at best subjective, and at worst the self-obsessed testimonial of people who don't really seem to care about anyone or anything other than themselves, regarding Satvatove. That is, they are ultimately selfishly dismissing the pain and suffering of others, hurt by Satvatove. They offer nothing to support their opinions other than anecdotal remarks.