PatMarlins, West Coast Engineering, and ROCKDock are all companies run by Pat Green in Northern California. WWW.patmarlins.com Pat Green produces reloading equipment and accessories for the shooting and reloading hobbyist. Mr. Green's order fulfillment process is a joke. Some members of the www.casstboolit.com web site have placed prepaid orders that are now approaching a year. I'm now starting to think Mr. Green was also involved with the Gpal fraud that was also operated in / from California. Mr Green also sells on eBay and seems to have no problems fulfilling orders on that site, althow at a higher cost to the consumer. If you question Pat Green about the delays in shipping the items that you have prepaid, he gets very butthurt and says that he will refund your money. Unless yoy have proof of payment Pat will be unable to find your order. After providing proof of payment by USPS money order he was able to find order. I have yet to receive my refund from this scammer. Here are some great excuses from Pat Green, they include everything but the dog ate my homework. 7/4/11 "Dear friends and customers, This is the first message I've been able to get out since our power went down. For those who don't know, we are located in the Northern California mountains of the Shasta Trinity National Forest. Our home and machine shop is completely off grid and primarily solar powered, and we possibly may be the only manufacturing outfit in the country that is. Certainly for our shooting industry. A few weeks ago we were hit with thunderstorms and a lightening strike took out our main power inverter. This powers our home and parts of the machine shop. To ad to the problem if that wasn't enough, in an effort to power up my computer and get back online, a portable inverter took out my computer. So we've been dead in the water without online communications- (of which our business is completely email based), and without normal power. Think of all the things that happen when your neighborhood power utility goes down and thankfully, my wife has been gone during this whole ordeal caring for her mother who is recovering from surgery. While owning your own power company has it's benefits, it also has it's hazards on a practical level. We've been off grid for 13 years without a hiccup. The inverter that went out has been a top of the line performer in the solar industry for over 20 years, but parts and repair options for these units have all but disappeared. So I'm having to upgrade and install a different manufacturer who's modular design and modular circuit boards makes emergency repairs and replacement a snap. This modular design is currently the main power source we use in the machine shop." 7/28/11 "I just destroyed a boring bar from a programming error. Destroyed a 5C collet and stock as well. I just learned I do not have a back up bar. That was the backup bar, and I forgot to reorder." 9/1/11 "I'm working as fast as possible, and orders are being filled daily. Not as fast as I would like, and I'm not caught up as fast as I thought I would be from being behind with our power system down here the past weeks, but I will be caught up soon." 9/21/11 "I've had my main CNC machine down for almost 3 weeks now, and I think I have it repaired finally this evening. I had been running 45 caliber parts- all but one part of the dies finished when the breakdown happened. So the hold up. The part- a Z axis encoder had to be made to order. Had no time to get this final die part programmed for my new machine, but hope to have the second machine programmed for all 45 cal die parts as well soon." "I've had my share of electronic CNC component issues due to the age of one of my machines this year. It was the last of the original old stock items that had not been retrofitted as well as a Z axis encoder going out a few weeks ago. Used equipment will test your resolve, and normally I'm up to the task as long as I get some decent mileage in between, but lately it can make a guy wish for something new." This man is nothing but one excuse after another. If he can't provide what he is selling in a timely fashion he should just throw in the towel and stop stringing along his customers. All you are doing when ordering form Pat is providing him with interest fee loans. Avoid this scammer at all costs!