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| map-marker West Valley City, Utah

Scam and a cult

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These impact trainings are a scam akin to MLMs, just using poor psychological principles by untrained individuals. They cause harm to families and relationships, and have come and gone for decades because of the lawsuits behind them all.

(Landmark, Harmony, etc.) This is nothing more than an attempt to part people from their money and give them a way to puff up and say 'IMPACT TRAINING" when they act like a sociopath afterwards. I have several family members who went thru these. and they are all in various states of disarray in their lives. I watched one of these 'trainings' drive my aunt and uncle apart with their 'trainings'.

They tried to recruit myself and my wife by doing things like showing up in the middle of the night with strangers from their cult.

Do not get involved with these people. They should be investigated.

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User's recommendation: avoid at all costs

You T Shv

Steve Jensen is a paedophile

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Impact Trainings - Steve Jensen is a paedophile

Steve Jensen aka Dr kiddy fiddler, he is very inappropriate when in impact training, he should be reported for his crimes.

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Randi S Uvh

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Long overdue praise.

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Both my daughter and I went through Quest, Summit and lift-off in California in the late 90s and it was life changing for both of us. We talk about our experience frequently and how it has affected our lives all these years later. I am so grateful to everyone at Impact for the positive difference in our lives.

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Pros:
  • Got rid of issues that had been dragging us down
  • Self worth improved
  • Life changing
Cons:
  • Wish it was closer to us so we could stop in and visit often

User's recommendation: Don’t be deterred by negative people and be open to experience a deep change in how you see the world and the world sees you.

Simon R Dgq

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| map-marker Salt Lake City, Utah

Predatory Cult of Positivity

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My experience with the Impact Trainings was very negative. After very intensely insulting and belittling new inductees, the Impact trainers then attempt to indoctrinate said inductees on the power of positivity.

They state, repeatedly, that all health issues are caused by negativity. Flu? Negativity. Chronic Pain?Negativity.

Cancer? Negativity! If your issue was not resolved after doing impact training, it is because you are still being too negative and you need more Impact Training. Every training ends with a hard sell for more training.

Veteran Inductees are *strongly* recommended to volunteer their time to become Trainers for this very expensive program. Most to all of the Trainers are not paid. Impact will also tell you to cut negative people out of your life, the only way make them not negative is to get them into the impact trainings.

Please, if you are considering Impact, invest in therapy instead. I went to Therapy after impact, it ended up being much instructive.

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$3000

Preferred solution: Nothing, I want to warn others investigating this company

User's recommendation: Run, do not walk, away from this program.

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Guest

Why would you invest $3000 before deciding on a one-star review. Why not walk out after the first sign of beratement?

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It’s very persuasive. If you hear about how charismatic cult leaders can be, this is an example. I lost OVER 10k before realizing.

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You are 100% right on everything you just said. If you do impact it only lasts maybe a year. I've seen relationships ruined and people's life in shambles a few years after impact.

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Emily K Rgp
map-marker Salt Lake City, Utah

Choosing into Impact has been a beautiful experience for me

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I went into Impact sad and unforgiving of myself for past experiences and choices, so much so that I doubted my own heart. Through the processes here, I gained tools to assist me in learning to forgive myself for things that had nothing to do with me or that I couldn’t change.

I learned that I Am Enough, no matter what other people say. I also learned that in order to assist my children with their journey in life, I first deserved to find what works for me. I’m learning how much beauty there is around me in every little detail of my life. I find a deep joy within my heart that I have never experienced before.

I admit, it takes a great amount of courage to go within myself and face my greatest fears, to open myself up to being vulnerable. It takes focus and discipline within myself to complete all the trainings but they definitely go together. I see the importance of why they break the training into parts. It takes time to heal, and each process assists me in my healing journal.

The way I feel to sum this training up is this; Many people choose into several different life-long therapies throughout the world. I chose into Impact because I deserved immediate results. I deserved to live a beautiful fulfilling life right now, and this is what I found...Immediate Results! I would recommend this training to anyone who is interested in making the world a better place by just being YOU!

Love is so beautiful and this is where I found love again, for myself and for those closest to me in my life...

The staff is amazing!

They are genuinely full of love and compassion for everyone.

Thank you all! I love you

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  • Safe positive environment
Cons:
  • None at this time
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Anonymous

Relationship killer!

My partner and I were really struggling in our marriage and Impact was suggested. I was so hopeful this was the answer.

We were going to go together and were told it’s better not to experience the training together so he went first. I was told he’d come back full of love. It’s made our marriage worse, he’s not full of love he’s rude, tells me All I make are excuses, and I take away his power, he yells and stomps around! Then says he’s never been happier?

He spends all his time on the phone with his “new family “ or running to more meetings and such, giving all his time to impact. He tries to talk every one we know into going, saying he’s so happy, yet I don’t see happiness. We are barely making our monthly bills and he offers to pay for others trainings! He invites me to go all the time.

Saying I’ll be happy like he is? It just made a bigger distance in our relationship. He is nicer to strangers and waiters though!!

Bottom line is I’m glad I didn’t go and I see a completely different picture than he sees and is painting for everyone, he’s reaching to be happy, but is only happy at impact or with impact people. I’m writing this review as I spend another night hone alone.

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Cameron B Qzp
map-marker Salt Lake City, Utah

Best Thing I Ever Did

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Best thing I ever did. This allowed me to shift my direction in life long-term. It's the one thing I would be sure to do again in the next life.

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  • Authentic
  • Safe positive environment
  • Empowering
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Anonymous

Scary

Impact training teaches few good things to then theach you really bad and scary ones. While they go hiking, in contact with nature, they make some geometric figures and they try to get contact with Satan

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Sacred Geometry is a very Godly tool I use every day. SatTan (ego mind) has nothing to do with creation

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Cult!

This entire training is a cult! There is a reason they want you to sign an NDA.

Beware of all enterprises that require new clothing~ Thoreau

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Lucciana Jyo

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I was finally able to clear the fog and finally find myself.

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This is a magical place that asdist you in recovering your tools and remembering who you are and why your here. They dont give you anything other then a safe and secure place to work through whatever it is thatbrought you there in the first place and you are never forced to do anything that you dont want to do.

Incouraged and challenged to step out of your comfort zone well of course most deffinately. I could go on defending this Sacred place but for what? And for why? We all know who we are and what this place truly is.

For thise who choose to speak negatively about the Trainings and teaching are only hurting themselves and from what I know and have seen ultimately hurts no one other then their own spirit. So think about that for awhile because I challenge each and everyone of you to step outside your comfort zone, be open to give and receive and go on a journey, a path to free your spirit from the intrapment thst we as humans have come to do. Erase everything you've heard, everything you've read and just jump in blindly with everything you've got. And trust in yourself, your peers, yojr staff, your instructor(s), this sacred place, and the creators because when you can do all of this it is then that you will have gained the most valuable thing in life.

I know this you ask? And how? Well i leave you with this...my answer. I know sll this because I know, Ive seen, ive witnessed and I have experienced this all first hand for I AM a Powerful, Creative, Joyful Divine Spirit Being of Light and as a Powerful, Creative, Joyful Divine Spirit Being of Light my purpose here is to Empower by means of Inspirational Truth and to Love and Nourish ALL of Gods Cteations.

Therefore I create Peace, Harmony, Loyalty, and Equality in the World. And so it is. And so it has been written.

And so it is done. For I AM Lift Off 310 Life Mastery 2

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Guest

Many of us who have been through the training, even having worked there, go our own ways, and use the training in our daily lives. There are those with a predisposition to need authority, codependence, want a guru,...

Out of @ 200,000 of us, about 500 glom onto the "guru" religion mentality. It is discussed by the trainers as unhealthy, and not what they want.

Ryenn Cmz

Espavo! 4!

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They do encourage you to step out of your comfort zone and do claim to offer a safe space. They also encourage you to return and follow them (with large monetary donations), through emotional manipulation, a breakdown of self, and a constant pressure to "stop thinking." All breakaways from the group, questions, or independence are quickly stifled.

This training leaves its members with an unhealthy dependency on the leaders, and a conforming mentality and covers these unhealthy controls with a promise of divine understanding and life fulfillment.

The general messages themselves are not bad, but the habits of the leaders to break down a member only to build them back up with a severe dependency on the training and the leadership is unhealthy.Leaving the training at any time results in dissociation, lack of self-dependence, identity confusion, degraded cognitive ability, and other effects of severe psychological manipulation.This group encourages a "no thinking mentality." Any disagreements with the leader are chalked up to "too much thinking" in the group member. Agreement with the leader is cited as "feeling." This group does not allow logical thinking or independence from the group.A group that claims to want to better the world, but keeps information secretive and only offers it for an exorbitant fee proves dissonance from their claimed purpose.

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First of all thanks for sharing. I appreciate your feedback, however you are clearly misinformed, and far from the truth.

My family and I have have all gone through these training's and I can assure you that we are all still alive, not co-dependent, and are creating beauty in our lives everyday. There will always be skeptics but if you do your research, programs like this have existed for Centuries and have proven to show an increase in self awareness as well as lessening the judgement that some of us are so quick to pass.

If you know everything already and your life is serving you, then it sounds as though Impact is not for you, but your opinion is just that, an opinion. Have a blessed day!

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Well stated my friend however you forgot our "cults" number one rule. Invite them out to see for themselves that will she'd the truth and our light on them. Amen

Marlan Gff
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You are so far wrong in almost every way but that's alright we all still love you every day

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You've provided a perfect account of certain particulars that take place at at this 'training'. My experience (on 11/10/16) was almost identical to that which you've described. I can honestly say that I was completely outraged by what I observed from the onset of the first day, straight to the instant I conclusively got up and walked out several hours into the madness.

Throughout my brief attendance in one of the most disturbingly preposterous events I've ever found myself embroiled in, which is this specific training course, I had the most difficult time biting my tongue. To be frank, I have never in my life felt as inspired to mete out the most severe tongue-lashing against anyone the way I was against those 'trainers', as I cannot recall a previous time in my life where I've witnessed other folks as gratuitously humiliated, blindly condemned, and treated as utterly worthless inferiors in the manner that I observed at this 'training' session. Again, I was absolutely shocked and disgusted. Of all the folks I witnessed being harshly demeaned (which was almost everyone), one particular woman received the worst treatment.

She was responding to one of the staff member's questions, and upon completing her last sentence, she was viciously called a liar, told that she could not be trusted, advised that she radiated nothing but negative energy and was not at all unlike an 'iron maiden' for the reason that while she was 'attractive on the outside', she was 'toxic on the inside', and ultimately, she was fiercely ordered to 'GET OUT!' I honestly couldn't believe what I was hearing and observing. I kept telling myself, 'This is merely a performance that will end in the next few minutes', only to realize that I was dead wrong.

In response, the woman stated that she would not leave on her own volition because she paid to take the training and did not understand why she was perceived as a liar and as one who couldn't be trusted. To that, the staff member screamed 'GET THE *** OUT', and advised that 'IF YOU DON'T LEAVE, I'LL HAVE YOU TAKEN OUT!', and insisted to his colleagues that were seated in back, 'I WILL NOT CONTINUE WITH THE COURSE IF THIS WOMAN DOES NOT GET OUT!"

It was then that she left, and immediately upon her exit, this staff member raised his hand and asked all members of the group to also raise their hands if they too noticed the same thing he did about that woman. Like obedient sheep, everyone in the room (except for me) raised their hands. I'll spare readers the narrative of what took place in my mind the instant I saw this tremendously cowardly response from my fellow attendees, but I will say that the vivid mind control that had played out before me was the most repulsive thing I had ever seen, and the internal battle I underwent over whether or not to let out a piercing cry of 'WHAT THE *** IS THE MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE? WAKE THE *** UP FOR PETE'S SAKE!', SNAP OUT OF IT!, or 'RECLAIM YOURSELVES!", was a fierce one.

One by one, each attendee provided a nonsensical account of why they agreed with him, and approximately twenty minutes later, the woman entered the room again with another staff member. The moment she re-entered the room, he fiercely asked her, 'WHAT THE *** ARE YOU DOING BACK HERE? WHY ARE YOU HERE?', to which she replied that she wanted to remain in training and apologized for her conduct (at this, again, it took every bit of restraint I could muster not to fly off the handle- that woman had done nothing, absolutely nothing, to deserve how she was being treated, and had nothing to apologize for). He then told her that everyone in the room agreed with him concerning her behavior, and advised her that 'Those who didn't outwardly agree with me were just too afraid of being honest (this false accusation, of course, was directed at me, as I was the only one that did not raise my hand per his previous request). Ultimately, she was permitted back into the group, and the moment she took her seat, the gentleman seated beside her gave her a hug, only to be instantly yelled at by this same staff member and told 'KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF OF HER! LET HER SIT IN HER OWN MESS! LET HER BE! AM I CLEAR?!'

A short time after, we were divided into groups of five, each group seated with a designated staff member, and it was when another woman in my group was responding to the staff member's question that yet another staff member approached our group, and approximately 3-4 seconds after, he interrupted the woman and accused her of projecting and of focusing on everyone but herself, and asked the group to raise their hands if they agreed with him. Again, I was the only one that did not provide a hand in the air, but this time, aside not raising my hand, I vocalized my disagreement. Not only did I vocalize my disagreement, I also expressed it in a condescending tone and manner- I looked right at the woman he was gratuitously faulting and said, "I don't agree with him, nor do I agree with those supporting him."

Needless to mention, that inspired resentment on behalf of this 'superior'. After all, who the *** do I think I am going against the herd? How dare I speak without permission, and how dare I challenge this sage? Lol! Not a second after I spoke, in a seething, escalated voice, he responded, "If you don't agree, keep your hand down without speaking. You are side-talking and that is breaking the rules, so you've broken the rule."I then looked directly at the woman again, ignoring him, and stated, "I'm so sorry you were interrupted, Jane (not her actual name, to maintain her privacy), please go on with what you were expressing."

At this, she smiled at me and blinked her eye, and I returned the signal. Of course, this inspired even greater anger in this man, and so he raised his voice even higher and said to me "YOU THINK THIS IS FUNNY?!" Of course, I didn't find it funny. I found it downright sickening, actually, and it was then that I stood up, looked at the woman again, leaned toward her and said "I wish you the best of luck with this and with your life. Take care', and I then turned around and advised him, "I'm done with this madness", to which he replied, 'GET YOUR STUFF AND GET OUT!' Lol!

I walked straight out and to the other room where I had left my bag, and upon grabbing my bag and heading out, I was approached by another staff member and asked if it was a habit for me to walk out of situations I found uncomfortable. Lol! Needless to say, there's a huge distinction between uncomfortable situations vs circumstances comprised of sheer lunacy. Upon counseling this staff sidekick on that distinction, yet another staff member approaches and begins her incoherent spiel. Conclusively, I walked out of the building after speaking my peace, and while driving back home, I called my 'angel' to advise her of what had taken place. Not surprisingly, she insisted that the program was a fantastic one, that there was a greater meaning and purpose than what I was interpreting, etc., etc.

My final words to her over that fiasco were 'If it works for you, great. I'm happy for you. While I acknowledge that you had the best intentions when you insisted that I register for this course, I found it to be the most appalling, disgusting thing I've ever observed, and have absolutely no interest whatsoever in further involvement. While I recognize that a refund will not be granted, I'm okay with that so long as I never hear about that program again.'

As far as I'm concerned, no legitimate self-improvement program or spiritual advancement course will ever include in its elements of training aggression, hostility, disrespect, condemnation, nor diminishing of its learners' worth or dignity under any circumstance, and I can only hope that those considering this 'training' conduct research (I'm ashamed to say that I hadn't prior to attending) before they think of registering.

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Such a perfect explanation of what takes place. People are publicly ridiculed and reprimanded and humiliated.

Then expected to share deeply personal and intimate stories of struggle and or failure or trauma. Then expected to be uncomfortably emotionally intimate in various exercises with fellow participants. It’s nuts! It’s unethical, it’s unhealthy and it makes me sad that so many seem to be sucked into this.

I regret giving them my money. I know my “Angel” had no ill intent, but I am left feeling manipulated and as if my trust in this friend was taken advantage of. Flying from out of state was expensive. Taking time off work was inconvenient and the training itself was expensive.

I paid for quest and summit up front and of course was not refunded for quest. I walked out of quest on the 2nd day of madness. I was told that there is a processing fee of $200 for summit. So I’m supposed to receive a “check in the mail” for the remaining money.

If I wanted to come back and finish quest I would not need to pay again. Lol!!!! I won’t be back….obviously. This is an abusive, brainwashing process and it’s alarming to know that my friend who I trusted so deeply had been sucked into this…and tried to sock me into it.

The trainers (particularly the male trainer) are abusive and enjoy the public scrutiny they dole out. You can see the grossly imbalanced power dynamic begin to take shape almost immediately. It’s all a game of manipulation, tearing you down to make you feel small and powerless to their authority. And if you ask any questions you are told in a harsh loud voice “WE ASK THE QUESTIONS!!!

NOT YOU!!!” ….wtf??? And if you express concerns at all they tell you to leave. “WE HAVE NOTHING HERE FOR YOU!!! They try to make people feel like they are missing out on something important if they go.

Like they are losing a valuable opportunity.

And they publicly shame you for various reasons. It can be literally anything.

Guest

This review says a lot more about you as a person than the training. It sounds like everyone there was taking it seriously, and wanted a change in their life, but you are too bitter of a person to open up.

You’re stuck in a minder of “the herd” and “sheeple” etc. Get over yourself and love yourself. All you’ve done here is get angry and then type out an entire essay using sophisticated words to make yourself feel smarter.

What’s even worse is that there is a NDA, and you showed how you can’t be trusted and that others can’t trust you to be your word. I hope you find real meaning and things get better for you.

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*^%

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What op described is very similar to my experience with the Impact Trainings. They are very expensive, personally damaging, and every “training” with a textbook hard sell for additional training. If you are considering Impact, please invest in actual therapy; I wish I had instead of going to Impact.

Guest

You have described it perfectly and honestly. I too was appalled the first morning (yesterday) by everyone’s willingness to dedicate themselves to the dictator type trainer.

After the break I was the first person to stand up and answer a question. I was screamed at and told by the trainer that his experience of me was nauseating or something to that effect. I calmly replied into the microphone “ditto” and he screamed at me to get out. I said gladly, dropped the Mike and walked out all the while holding up my middle finger.

I got in my car and left never to return. Of course my two angels spent over an hour begging me to go back.

I feel like I dodged a real bullet and will be spending the day getting a massage and being nice to myself. Impact Training is Looney Tunes City!

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Ryenn Cmz

Thank you for sharing, but seeing as you never completed the training you really have no way of giving a true an unbiased opinion on the matter. AND I was one who walked out just like you, but I set my ego aside finished the training and now I Myself assist in staffing the training's and I can tell you without one hesitation that this training has saved lives. May you have a blessed day!

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Thank you for sharing this. I applaud your integrity.

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I agree that this program only hurts people. A person that took this course was sneaking behind my back seeing my husband and just justified it to death with all her impact talk

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Carren Avk

Impact Trainings of Bluffdale will drain your wallet!!!

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For two evenings at Impact Trainings followed by two full days, we are led through a series of games, lectures, and exercises. In between, we are encouraged to share personal epiphanies. Some exercises are uncomfortably intimate. During one, I sit across from someone, stare into his eyes, and complete sentences the trainer provides: "What I don't want you to know about me is..." "The way you can love me is..." In another, we split into pairs and take turns lying in each other's lap. One of us plays parent, the other child. There is a lot of nervous laughter, but in time the physical closeness begins to seem normal, even comforting.

The games explore themes that are amplified in the next lecture, and the exercises that follow encourage personal exploration, which lead us to our epiphanies. People participate enthusiastically, even when it gets difficult. Periodically, there are tense moments. On the first day, a participant refuses to attend a follow up seminar and, after a brief confrontation, he is asked to leave. On the second day, a quartet of people is late getting back from a break. They are called to the front of the room.

"What was more important to you than being on time?" the trainer demands. The four hang their heads. "What was more important to you than being on time?" he asks again. When they don't answer, he mocks their behavior. He tells them this is a perfect example of why their lives have stalled. He calls their tardiness self-indulgent. Resistant. Weak. He asks them to confess other ways they are self-indulgent, resistant, and weak. They do. "You want a better job?" he asks one woman. "Tell me why you deserve it. What do you have to offer? Indulgence?"

When the others sit down, they're sobbing. The same thing happens to other people who question the training or are uncooperative. Sometimes it happens for no reason. But I assume the pain has a purpose.

Early on, most epiphanies are weepy stories of failure and disappointment. But by the third day, the stories are self-congratulatory. We begin to pinpoint, in various exercises, the major stumbling blocks in our lives. In my case, it is arrogance. I sought success as a means of self-glorification, rather than serving the world and humanity. I failed to keep my commitments. So, I decide it is time to stop cutting myself slack and start, as Impact Trainings put it, "TO GO THE DISTANCE."

By then, "commitment" is a crucial concept. The trainer mocks the outside world, where promises are rarely kept. He implies that we are in on a glorious secret: We understand, as few people do, that the success we are seeking will arrive as soon as we learn how to make commitments, and then "enroll" other people. Enrollment, we learn, is key. For one thing, we can't do everything alone. But more important, enrollment is the only true test of our commitment.

That night there is a graduation ceremony. We stand while friends and family come into the room and stand in front of us. When I open my eyes, Alex, “my angel” is there. "I'm so happy for you," he says, hugging me.

The following Monday, a friend from college comes to stay with me. I try to tell him about Impact Trainings, but he won't listen. "I'm going to call the Cult Action Network and have you deprogrammed," he says. He calls the Better Business Bureau to ask if there are any complaints against Impact Trainings. I think he is being obnoxious. When we go out that night, my other friends won't listen either. When I invite them to the Impact Trainings lecture, they start to choose their words carefully, the way you might talk to someone standing on the wrong side of a balcony railing. It makes me furious.

"Listen, I don't want you to run off with these Impact Trainings people," someone says later that night. I ask him his reasons, and listen politely while he explains about jargon, recruitment, and brainwashing. Secretly, I think he is an ***.

Most people assume they would know if they were being brainwashed. They think it involves great force, or some obvious, epic struggle in which the mind slowly and grudgingly succumbs. But mind control only works when the subject cooperates. And cooperation requires that a reasonable person not know what's happening. You have to lead her where you want, but she needs to think she's going someplace else. In Impact Trainings, self-help is the distraction.

To brainwash someone, you first have to break her. Under the guise of identifying our obstacles, we were encouraged to catalog our failings and confront fellow participants about their own. Even though the early exercises and lectures were confusing, anyone who asked for an explanation was ridiculed--told to stop thinking so hard. Doubt, we were told, came from arrogance and certainty. Arrogance and certainty had caused our failures. Instead, we were supposed to trust the process, let ourselves go, and just be. There was a certain amount of relief in the idea.

According to experts who study groups like Impact Trainings, people faced with stressful, incomprehensible situations begin to defer "ego functions" like logic and reason to the nearest available authority. In other words, Impact Trainings participants quickly learn to rely on the trainer to interpret their reality. At this point, about two days in, the trainer starts to talk about responsibility. Impact Trainings's philosophy is based on the assumption that you caused everything in your life, including the selection of your parents. The death of loved ones. Rape. Abuse. Job loss. All yours.

Psychologists Janice Haakken and Richard Adams published a paper about a Impact Trainings-like seminar in Psychiatry magazine in August 1983. They found that introducing the concept of responsibility turns what had been an "infantile helplessness" among participants into an "infantile omnipotence," that allows "grandiose fantasies of unlimited power." In practical terms, this meant that suddenly I felt in control again. After two days of self-doubt, I believed there might be some hope for my future. It didn't mean I agreed with the whole Impact Trainings worldview. I didn't have to. I just had to believe enough of it to keep participating.

Once we began to play along, our cooperation was rewarded with exercises that promoted intimacy and community. Presented with different situations, we were asked to "choose" how we would respond to each other. Feeling fully in control, we responded generously, which meant that exercises kept collapsing into group hugs. The more it happened, the more I wanted it to keep happening. The more it kept happening, the more central it became to my existence.

That's brainwashing.

By the time I graduated from Summit, I was hooked. And I wasn't alone. Of the 34 who went through the first seminar with me, 20 returned for the second. Of those 20, 13 returned for the third. Some who dropped off stayed in touch and finished the training later that year.

Those who remained became the civilian equivalent of foxhole buddies. Increasingly under fire from our friends and family, we sought comfort and community among people who understood how we were trying to live. This informal support network included fellow seminar participants and, in increasing numbers, Impact Trainings alumni from earlier seminars. At the end of Summit, the group linked arms to rock each person in a human cradle, telling them they were "unconditionally loved and accepted." It felt that way, too.

By that time, James and I had started to spend time together outside the seminars. We met for dinner or talked on the phone for hours at a time. I was certain that the Impact Trainings seminars had laid the groundwork for a powerful and intimate relationship. I'd stopped thinking about my boyfriend, who was doing his best to keep our relationship going from half a world away.

Graduation from Summit fell on my 23rd birthday. We were supposed to invite family and friends to our graduation, and I took perverse pleasure in extending invitations to people I knew would never come. A few days later, one of those friends came over to use my computer. While he worked at my desk, I lay on the bed behind him and called each person from Summit. I had long, personal conversations, and before I hung up would always say, "I love you." I remember watching my friend's back. He didn't turn around once. He never said a thing. When he finished his paper, he said good night and left. I figure that was the day my friends wrote me off for good.

On October 29, I wrote in my journal: "I know I am loved---deeply, and for the rest of my life---by all of these people in my Impact Tranings family, and by James...I am willing to devote my life to that love."

At that point I was halfway through Level III: Lift Off. A multi-week program, Level III was advertised as an opportunity to practice the Impact Trainings model of success in a group setting. It would teach participants to stretch the limits of what we believed to be achievable. After all, the only thing holding us back was the lies we told to keep ourselves small.

Level III was structured around a group challenge and a series of personal goals. Individually, we each wrote a "Letter of Intention" or "LOI," setting multiple, measurable objectives in seven areas of our lives. Under "Work," I committed to finding a job. Under "Health," I dedicated myself to running twice a week, giving up dairy products, and eating five servings of fruits and vegetables a day. My LOI contained 22 goals in all.

Almost parenthetically, we were asked to commit to enrolling at least one person in one of several upcoming Impact Trainings “Quest” seminars. After all, our success in enrollment would be the best indication of whether or not we "WERE GOING THE DISTANCE". I committed to enrolling one person. Some people committed to as many as four.

It was a frenzied time. There were daily coaching calls with Impact Trainings graduates called "angels," who were not unlike camp counselors. There were daily calls with an assigned "buddy." There were weekend meetings to gauge our progress. Weekdays, there were other various meetings. We were expected to demonstrate total commitment, “GO THE DISTANCE”. Other Impact Trainings participants reported that friends had accused them of participating in a cult. We rolled our eyes. People in on the outside clearly didn't get it. They just don’t understand.

I don't know how those with full-time jobs and families managed it. On a good night, I got four hours of sleep. Awake, I tried to make the rest of the world work like Impact Trainings, tried to generate the same love and connection. I was “challenged” to give various gifts to public servants as a way to recognize there service to the community. Walking down the street, I said hello to everyone. I made friends with the homeless men who rode my bus. I sat with them in the back and laughed.

I was exhausted, but I couldn't afford to stop. Tiredness was a lie, something I had to push through. Rather than withdraw from the group, I turned to it for coaching and support. When people did withdraw, missing a meeting or a phone conference, we bombarded them with calls or went looking for them. After all, we had promised to hold each other to greatness, “TO GO THE DISTANCE”.

As the weeks ticked by, we grew frantic. We worked harder, slept less. Our seniors Impact Trainings alumni kept focusing on enrolling new members, and so we did too. We called people at midnight or at work. We approached strangers on the street. We offered to pay their fees if they would just give Impact Trainings a chance. Between this recruiting and other Impact meetings, there was little time left for our personal goals--so we started to cheat. My buddy had committed to hiring a salesperson for her graphic-design business, and I had committed to finding a job. She hired me and we each crossed a goal off our list.

Finally, the seven weeks were up. We had got 53 new people to enroll in Impact Trainings.

Meanwhile, I broke up with my boyfriend in early October and James (my Impact Trainings love) and I started dating (starting a relationship was one of the goals on his LOI). One week later we were engaged. When I called my best friend to tell her, she hung up on me.

After graduation from Summit, my social life revolved around Impact Trainings. The sense of community was staggering. When someone moved, dozens of people would help carry furniture. When you needed something, 50 people who would instantly drop whatever they were doing, whether you needed a shoulder to cry on, a ride, a meal, or help paying your property taxes. Everyone in Impact Trainings believed in you. They showed up when they said they would. They delivered what they promised. Every week there were events packed with people who were thrilled to see you. There was nothing like it in the outside world.

Then again, in the outside world, my life was falling apart. I had an internship and some part-time work, but I was spending too much time working for Impact Trainings to look for a job. I didn't have a car, health insurance, or money for food. The worse it got, the harder I worked the Impact Trainings formula, which promised: Once you get enrollment, you get everything else. Desperate to master enrollment, I joined the Impact Trainings sales team. But despite endless hours of phone calls, heart-to-heart talks with anyone I could corral, I failed. I never enrolled a soul. After a while, I became unhinged. I cried myself to sleep. I cried walking down the street. When I ran into old friends, I accused them of jumping to conclusions about Impact Trainings. I told them my life was better than ever. I was beginning to doubt it myself, but what else could I say? If I told the truth, to myself or anyone else, I would never enroll anyone in the courses and my life would never work.

Things finally came to a head when I applied to be a senior for Lift Off. It was June, seven months after my own Summit graduation. And I was chosen, with one caveat: I had to enroll someone first. I spent two weeks trying. During the last two days I worked out of a friends basement, cold-calling people from stacks of cards collected at various recruitment events. In between calls, I would set down the phone and weep. Just hours before the Lift Off kickoff, someone finally agreed to take the course and I copied down his credit-card number over the phone.

The following weeks brought a series of confrontations. The small group I was coaching wasn't enrolling anyone, and I was held responsible. One evening I was summoned to an emergency meeting, where two staff members cataloged my failings in excruciating detail. I cried. I promised to try harder. A week later, there was another emergency meeting because I'd told someone I wanted to quit. I was attacked again. I promised again to stay and try harder.

A week later, two of my three fellow staff members skipped a meeting. One of those absent was a friend, who ran Lift Off. Midway through the meeting, she called to lecture the participants about their lack of commitment. There was no speakerphone in the room, so she delivered her tirade, piece by piece, to the guy who answered the phone. Piece by piece, he delivered it to the rest of us. It was absurd. Still, I wasn't planning to quit that day. I was just tired. There was a staff meeting scheduled for 8:00 p.m., and that afternoon, I took a nap. While I was asleep, a storm knocked out the power. It took out the alarm and the cordless phone. Messages piled up in my voicemail. I slept until the next morning.

The next day, in an ugly, curt telephone call, I was removed from my position. I was both elated and mortified. Mostly, I was relieved. I figured I would take a break and then throw myself back into Impact Trainings. I would try even harder. After all, that's what a lot of people did. Is it really possible “TO GO THE DISTANCE”?

My deprogramming happened by accident. A week after I lost my position as a Lift Off senior, I was in Barnes & Noble when the word cult caught my eye. When I picked up a book called Cults in Our Midst, I felt triumphantly traitorous, until I came to a detailed description of Impact Trainging’s “Quest”. I put the book back and fled. Later that same night, I went to a different bookstore. Another cult book. Another description of Impact Trainging’s “Quest”. I visited several more bookstores in the next month. It was awhile before I could bring myself to believe it, much less buy it.

After I had read the books, I told James (my Impact Trainings love) that we had been conned. It took him some time to come around. We talked about it for months. We planned a lawsuit. We planned to blow the whistle. In the end, these plans went nowhere.

One reason people stay in cults even when the experience is deeply painful is that it can be far more psychologically painful to admit to being unreasonable and wrong. For me, throwing off mind control was a matter of education and time. I learned that what keeps people in difficult and painful situations is an unwillingness to admit that they might have made poor choices. Before long I applied the same logic to my marriage. James and I were married in July 1998. Shortly thereafter, he started drinking heavily. We fought about it for a year, and then I left. Eventually we agreed that without Impact Trainings, we never would have married.

During my marriage and afterward, I had nightmares in which I would suddenly find myself in an Impact Trainings training room. I would know what was coming, and I would know there was nothing I could do. I felt a similar dread each time I spotted Impact Trainings people around town. I didn't feel safe until I moved out of state.

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8 comments
Guest

Thank you for your story. My wife recently went to the first classes out of town.

After 22 years together those 3 days we only talked for 2 or 3 minutes a day which was between 12 or 1 am. I started getting concerned the night before her ending ceremony, it didn't sound like my wife on the phone. I watched in confusion on zoom as she hugged, sung and danced with people she just met. When she finally came home 5 days later it wasn't my wife that came back.

She talked differently would back track while she talked and would almost hide when the phone rang. Well last night I came home at 10pm to find her on the phone, instantly I knew how was on the other end without even talking to her she wouldn't or couldn't look me in the eye and was answering dozens of questions with yes or no answers. I grew instantly very concerned she sounded scared yet very obedient. I have been doing my own research on this program.

Tonight was the last straw. I confronted her and she instantly told me I was using my EGOmind no I was using common sense I thinking things threw, she informed she was told not to think things threw just count to 4 and do it. Without going on about the 3 hour discussion and showing her things I found out about program she finally stated to listen and agreed she had been broke down and himilted during the days she was gone.

I also had to take her to the hospital because of the bruises she had all over her hands and arms (from punching a chair she cliams) I told I am not going join her down this rabbit hole and she needed to do a inwardly check to see what she really wanted and if she was really that bad of a person that the convinced her she was. I'm not sure if I believe her that she will not continue with these brainwashing sessions but I'll do my best to stop it.

Guest

Thank you for taking the time to tell your story. Although I only went to Quest, I had a terrible experience at Impact Training as well. I hope you've since recovered; it's not easy.

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Re: Impact Trainings Brainwashing

Loved Impact's statement about brain washing is a misrepresentation of the activities that occur at the Impact Trainings ("If someone pointing out things that are different than what I believe or how I see things is brainwashing...").

Here is a list of 13 things to look for regarding brain washing.

From my perspective every single one of them applies to the Impact Trainings.

http://www.wikihow.com/Recognize-and-Avoid-Brainwashing

Loved Impact also lied when he/she stated that Impact had changed meaningfully over the years. That is absolutely false as the company still employs the same processes with only slight (and insignificant) variations on the original versions (like new songs to elicit the same emotional responses).

Guest

This sounds more like the Great Life Training than it does Impact Trainings. Impact has changed a lot over the years and doesn't do things the same way it used to.

Although I can see that from your perspective how you could interpret things that way, the majority of people don't appear to experience it like that. It's an intense training. It's about learning to experience life in a positive way. You take a look at the results in your life.

Things like "what are your results if you don't keep your word in your life." "who pays the biggest prices when you don't keep your word in your life" and so on. They invite you to take accountability for all of your experiences. If you are blaming others for what you feel and experience in your life, then how you feel is their fault, not yours and you will never have control over over your life. At Impact I learned to stop blaming others and start to take action to change things so that I was happy.

This one thing has totally changed my life. My life is so much happier now that I have stopped being a victim to everything and everyone. It's not a perfect training, but I feel it is very beneficial and I would recommend it to most people (not everyone, but most). I feel that most people will get a lot of value out of it.

They seem to go to great lengths to point things out, but that's what it took for me to see what I was really creating in my life. When I hear you calling it brain washing or a cult, that just doesn't fit. They are about change and seeing life from a different perspective, but brain washing... give me a break.

If someone pointing out things that are different than what I believe or how I see things is brainwashing, than everything is brainwashing.

Every TV commercial or newspaper opinion or movie is also brain washing.

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I attended impact after this response was written and they still do things the way that the original poster claims. This response is incorrect.

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*^%

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If you think impact training is so wonderful then why did someone who went through all the courses starting seeing my husband behind my back. You are not suppose to harm others? She has brought pain to our whole family!

Guest

This is one of the best reviews on the Impact Trainings that I have ever read and it echoes my own experience in virtually every detail. The social control exerted by the training is incredible to see and the dichotomy between the "results" Impact Trainings participants brag about in front of trainers verses the actual day to day activities of their lives (when they are being honest) appears to be widespread and meaningful. Thanks for adding accurate information regarding this horribly harmful and deceitful company.

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map-marker San Diego, California

Short Review on October&nbs-04:00;10,&nbs-04:00;2016

One of impacts employees instructed an attendee (that was staying at my home for training in April) to steal things from my home. Which she did. And i have pressed charges.

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Anonymous
map-marker Cedar City, Utah

Impact Trainings Review

Impact training will destroy your relationship, and family. Please people stay away from them.

They are a cult. They should be investigated. They push you on sleep desperation. Push on your breaks.

Punish you if you forget to turn off your phone. Humiliation in front of the class.

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