Cunningham Weatherspoon Agency
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Indianapolis, Indiana
DO NOT ALLOW THEM ACCESS TO YOUR COMPUTER!!!!
So, I 'blindly" had accepted their offer for a job prior to doing the research on them, which I NOW KNOW was a mistake!!
I'd went in for my 1st interview, which wasn't with who I was told it would be with, RUSHED into what was then known as my 2nd Interview, being the ALL loving "pep" rally of all the *** getting up and promoting themselves as though they were 1 step below God, which they ARE NOT!!
At the time, I said I wanted to move further with them.....went into my 3rd interview and, looking back now, I think the individual who interviewed me was brainwashed by "THEM" but, I accepted the job.....THEN, I went in & Mr. IP installed the software on my laptop....
Once I got home and researched them further was when I had found the other posting and decided to terminate my contract.....
That was a WHILE ago!!!
TODAY, I get a notification on my laptop from Kaspersky that states:
http://www.pissedconsumer.com/review-pictures/tmp/1f5e3ada87862b040ba0378385f6a0c1.jpg
Needless to say......I DELETED it in it's entirety!!!
Moral of the story: If you've EVER worked, or had them install software on your laptops, do a FULL SCAN on your computer!!!! Who KNOWS what these idiots are doing in that SCAM of an office!! I may just even report this to the BBB!!!!!!!!
Indianapolis, Indiana
STAY AWAY FROM CWA
First let me say that I am a current AIL agent that works for another agency. I am much happier; however, my initial experience with the Cunningham Weatherspoon Agency out of Indianapolis, IN is what has prompted me to write this.
If I didnt believe in the AIL product I probably would have had such a bad taste in my mouth that I would not have considered exploring if there were good AIL Agencies out there, but there are.
AIL is not a SCAM. Granted there are less than ethical recruiting practices and the turn over rate is horrible, but that is consistent with the industry. I did make decent money at the CW agency, I was not promised the world, had to work a lot of hours, and had to witness a lot of things that makes me want to warn anyone else who is interested in working for CW. If you live in Indianapolis or Fort Wayne Indiana, their competing Hancock Agency has been around for years, is stable, and a lot better agency to work for.
It is agencies like CW that give AIL a bad reputation. There are good agencies out there, but you have to research first.
Now I will address the Red Flags at CW.
1. They have two SGA's. and 3 other "right hand men" that run the whole sick operation. It is a well known saying that they are run by "A Rapist, A Felon, and a Psycho". The "Psycho" is this snot nosed young guy who treats everyone like ***, codes business under struggling female agents for "Benefits (if you get my drift)", Is screwing another Master Agent and his personal assistant. He drives a Maseratti and lives in an apartment - go figure.
2. Everyone there is young. The assistants and recruiters are little girls who can be easily brainwashed and trained to their "plastic" mentality. We were instructed not to even call candidates that looked like they were over 40 because those candidates wouldn't fit our "vision".
3. You have no idea who to go to for what. Since everyone is an IC1099, you never know who to complain to for what, who to go to and the SGAs keep it very confusing. They have a "stand offish" attitude when something happens, saying "You are an IC working for our business". Nobody is accountable for anything.
4. Same recruiting tactics as most other agencies. Most candidates have no idea what job they are coming in for, evasive advertising, and they call their assistants "Recruiters" when in reality they are "telemarketing" recruiters. They are given a list of RMS names and numbers pulled from several major sites and they call candidates acting like they have a resume and say this script.
5. They treat their support staff like ***. The receptionist is paid 7 bucks an hour and she does the most out of anyone. She has been brainwashed, like all the other assistants into having "loyalty" and to see "the bigger picture" of future wealth.
6. The company meetings are repulsive. All they are is one big ego session. The SGA's walk in like Gods advancing to the throne up front. Everyone else sits in the audience like they are watching some grand broadway production. Everyone knows when to clap at the right times, and they sit and stand more than a Catholic Church Service. Paycheck amounts are announced and passed out. Agents who are moved up in the chain of command are done so in front of everyone. Those meetings are propaganda sessions to boost ego, self esteem, and keep everyone entertained.
7. They preach loyalty. It is distgusting. They have a "I will take care of you if you take care of me mentality", and anyone who doesn't fit and follow along with their brain washing tactics are quickly weeded out.
8. You cannot trust anyone. You don't know who to trust. It is best just to keep your mouth shut and follow along.
9. It almost feels like a cult. Even people who leave the company, or are fired, are followed and harrassed. Making sure nothing is being said about them. One recruiter was not paid on time for several weeks in a row. She was the top performer for the company and actually did things with honesty and integrity. She ended up losing her car, and almost her home, and owed back pay. The SGA's told her there was nothing they can do to help her because she was an IC contracted under a manager who couldnt afford her so she needed to take it up with him. Again, not being accountable even tho her recruiting efforts helped all the offices and ultimately lined the SGA's pockets. She has since went to a competing agency, but was harrassed by text and email for a while after leaving.
10. One Managing Agent was very successful in Indy and the SGA's asked him to go open another office in another territory. He had to relocate his whole life. It was a struggle getting the office up and running and he was not bringing in money. He ended up penniless and with no support from the SGA's. You would think if they asked someone to relocate to open an office for them, and that person had been successful for them, they would make sure that they are supported and not discarded. NOPE
11. One of the Master Agents recently resigned. This man was embezzeling thousands of dollars from the agents that worked under him and the SGA's knew. How sick is that?
12. Making big promises to keep people motivated and entertained.
13. Profiting from their licensing fee. CW uses Greenlight for their Indiana State licensing schooling. Portion of the 299 initial fee go to line the powers that be pockets.
As you can see, this AIL agency is what gives AIL a bad rep. There are good agencies out there. Do your research. It is a great position for the right person.
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To Brandi:
Brandi, its been a while since we spoke and I have nothing to gain here but I can tell you the God's honest truth. When you first started working there, I would hear Ophals and Gordon make remarks about your weight and say he would eventually fire you because you just werent "bright enough" to get good results.
I went to bat for you repeatedly. I told Mr. holier than though Ophals that you had something. Not everyone can be a recruiter and out of everyone, I wanted to train you.
instead, he picked his pretty and mindless assistant for me to train and it was a waste of time. As time progressed, your results got better and I still wanted to have one on one time with you. He would laugh it off and say your best skill was the "office spy". You won't see it because you are still working for them but I wanted you to know that I still think you have awesome potential to have a very progressive career in recruiting.
Don't waste it on the concept of "loyalty" or expect much in return for your efforts there. Also, don't let your ego be stroked too high that you are blinded. Take it from someone who is much older, wiser, and has been in the recruiting field for years. Good recruiters who are brought into the best positions are done so through word of mouth and networking.
You are wasting precious time if you want to be sitting as a Corporate Recruiting Manager like I was. I saw your attitude go from great to almost being a sneaky little snake at the end. Don't let them change you.
You can find me on FB if you ever want to chat. I got married, but my name is above.
Brandi is just as bad as these other low life pieces of ***. The whole thing is based on lying. *** disgusting to be a part of that, you should all be ashamed of yourselves
I am so glad this nightmare is over
I was the top recruiter for months and was told "off the record" that they were developing a salaried position for me and I was to oversee all recruiters. I didn't hold my breath.
I see the recruiters who still work there posting on this thread regarding their recruiting ethics and being a professional. I can only say this. I loved the position because it worked for my health.... period.
I have 20 years of progressive and provable recruiting experience at major companies throughout the country. I could recruit and bring results with my eyes closed. You cannot hire a recruiter for 8 bucks an hour. Even calling them recruiters is hilarious.
A mentor of mine in the recruiting networking group I am involved with told me to keep AIL off my resume because it is laughed at. These "little girls" think they have all this experience that will land them bigger recruiting positions when in reality, their experience at AIL under a "recruiting" job title will only be looked at as a very small stepping stone in an office administrative position, not a recruiting one. Take that job title and resume to staffing agencies or corporate offices looking for anything from "Recruiting Administrator to Corporate Recruiter" and their resume will end in the trash. These poor girls are not learning proper and ethical recruiting practices nor do they have any knowledge on hiring laws for that state.
It's not recruiting at all - It's tellemarketing and they LIE. I did my best do do things the way I know and never had to lie to get an interview and I had the highest sets out of all the offices. When I tried to train one of them for a week, i was left exhausted and drained. John Ophals complained that she wasn't getting better results and said it was my training.
No, you just can't train someone in a week on experience I have busted my *** for for 20 years. They got a 60K a year recruiter for 10 bucks an hour.
Most of these "recruiters" are mindless, doe eyed, and naive little girls who have been trained and coached on "loyalty". The only other one who had been there the longest out of all of us ended up leaving as well.
I wonder what ever happened to that recruiter. I remember James and Jamison asked her to train all the offices on recruiting practices.
When they asked her what she wanted in return, all she said was she wanted compensated for her gas, a donation box set up at each office for one of the halfway houses she worked with, and to have that same halfway house included in the Pilanphrophy project thats done monthly or bimonthly. They agreed. I remember how devestated she was when she couldnt deliever the donations to that halfway house since she already told them it would be coming. This is how low this agency is.
They boast about all they give to the community on their wall in nice little frames displayed amounts given. What do they want, a pat on the back for doing what is right?
Just interviewed here..along with about 40 other people. Wouldn't really call it an "interview," more like a bs excuse for one.
The group presentation was over an hour of my life I can't get back.
All to find out there is ONE position and it's commissioned only. Not what their sheisty recruiters tell you on the phone.
Worst *** place!!!!!!
all I can say is that my time at the CW Agency was nothing but horrible. I wish I could say different because I had big dreams coming into this.
I guess that's part of their gimmick. Feed you the kool aid right? I personally worked under IP Harris. he did nothing but micro manage me and all those "under him" (that's right, under him, he did not treat us like we were a part of his team.
he made it very clear he was our BOSS and of higher ranking) He did not talk to us with respect just walked around barking orders. As far as their SGAs Jamison and James, they were alright but did not take the initiate to address what was going on. Everyone knows how sheisty IP is and it shows in his team dropping like flies. Jamison was actually cool with me and I thought he was probably the only genuine one there.
James was like Ip and walked around with arrogance. The rest of the staff seemed normal but can't help but think they're also a little brainwashed.
As one of the longest running recruiters there until this past January, I can say without lying that this particular agency should be investigated for tax evasion concerning their recruiters, and should have their BBB endorsement pulled for horrible recruiting practices. ***, I WROTE most of the scripts used last year and well into this year. Trust me, I knew they were *** as I was writing them. It's easy to not feel guilt about it when you're in an age bracket that includes most of your peers working at McDonald's and you get to dress up for work every day.
I was only contacted twice after leaving (being let go because not one manager in the office I worked at could afford me)- once by an old payer who waited till literally the day they were due to contact me about tax info, and once by an old manager who let his star pupil ruin a year of my life and my boyfriend's. After hearing that I had moved to Pennsylvania, he basically said I and my boyfriend could name our price to come back and recruit for him. *eyeroll* Nice try, darlin.
The structure of this company is as fluid as the lies need to be. There are fees, you don't get paid till weeks after you "start", and the plain fact of the matter is that NO ONE gets any kind of health/dental/vision insurance. This is to be expected with 1099's, but I can tell you I wrote it into the script many times and used it to get high recruiting numbers.
Not one single person every regrets LEAVING this agency. As for those of you defending it... stop lying to yourself to convince yourself of your own superiority. If you work for a company that tells you that you're more ethical than every other agency, better than every other insurance company.... you're being lied to by yourself AND those who "hired" you.
That being said, make your own decision. If you don't feel creeped out by the end of the first "interview" day, then you're probably blind enough to fit in. This is why Christians do so well for this company- you last longer by being blinded to all the glaring issues at hand because you "believe".
*laugh* Joke's on you....
All true. And btw- what company pays their "rcruiters" (who refer to themselves as "hiring managers" when calling ALL day every day to set inteviews) under the table?!
Each one of them gets laid directly by their managers under the table. It's pretty pathetic. I was also told I would have benefits. Never saw those.
Never saw anything I was promised.
2 offices down, 2 to go. Ha!
Well to be fair I'm sure the person who put that in the script is deeply sorry for it, since she was told that by one of J&J, and didn't find out differently until right before she was let go. They'll fall on their own time, to be sure.
I heard that the top recruiters were trying to turn the position into an actual department and were shut down repeatedly by management because recruiters would no longer be seen as entirely disposable. Many attempts were made to standardize pay, hours, and production requirements. J&J wanted each office to be autonomous to keep confusion high and knowledge sharing low. They were taught long ago that controlling information is the only real way to control masses of people.
All you can do is warn everyone you know and drive them out of the state through word-of-mouth. Only so many people in Indy. And they've been through a great deal of them already.
Someone could always go to the Fishers council they belong to and give them the real skinny...
I was the top recruiter for months and was told "off the record" that they were developing a salaried position for me and I was to oversee all recruiters. I didn't hold my breath.
I see the recruiters who still work there posting on this thread regarding their recruiting ethics and being a professional. I can only say this. I loved the position because it worked for my health.... period.
I have 20 years of progressive and provable recruiting experience at major companies throughout the country. I could recruit and bring results with my eyes closed. You cannot hire a recruiter for 8 bucks an hour. Even calling them recruiters is hilarious.
A mentor of mine in the recruiting networking group I am involved with told me to keep AIL off my resume because it is laughed at. These "little girls" think they have all this experience that will land them bigger recruiting positions when in reality, their experience at AIL under a "recruiting" job title will only be looked at as a very small stepping stone in an office administrative position, not a recruiting one. Take that job title and resume to staffing agencies or corporate offices looking for anything from "Recruiting Administrator to Corporate Recruiter" and their resume will end in the trash. These poor girls are not learning proper and ethical recruiting practices nor do they have any knowledge on hiring laws for that state.
It's not recruiting at all - It's tellemarketing and they LIE. I did my best do do things the way I know and never had to lie to get an interview and I had the highest sets out of all the offices. When I tried to train one of them for a week, i was left exhausted and drained. John Ophals complained that she wasn't getting better results and said it was my training.
No, you just can't train someone in a week on experience I have busted my *** for for 20 years. They got a 60K a year recruiter for 10 bucks an hour.
Most of these "recruiters" are mindless, doe eyed, and naive little girls who have been trained and coached on "loyalty". The only other one who had been there the longest out of all of us ended up leaving as well.
Melisa or how ever u spell Ur name....get a life u have been gone for over a yr. U and Ur boyfriend were the nastiest people to come in that office. U had more hair on Ur body the most men do and when u came to the office with scabies I literally almost puked in my mouth...get Ur higine right and get a job if u had one u wouldn't still care to slander the CW.
^wow. Current CWer's continue to be so classy and professional.
Name callings a two way street sweetheart ;) You don't think we know who you are? At least we don't put the fullnames on (like theyve to anyone on management team) to where when anyone (perspective employers) googles their name this *** pops up.
Posting on the internet does have consequences kids....Just saying.
Brandi you are one of the trashiest people that worked there. You are so brainwashed its pathetic.
They keep you behind a telephone because they are desperate for your services but you don't look or fit their mold. Wake up.
Do you ever think they'd have you work the front desk? *** no.
Haha!How adorable!! My very own hater!
Your absofuckinlutely right I don't "fit the mold". Did it ever occur to you my goal was never to be "the front desk girl"? I Have much higher ambitions. The truth is you're mad that you failed and gave up on yourself, and so now you'll say anything to anyone even mildly successful there to make yourself feel better.
Which is completely pathetic.
Ive achieved more in my life at 23 then the majority of people and I guarantee you I'll be more successful in this life then someone like you that can never see the big picture. So how bout you "wake up".
Brandi, its been a while since we spoke and I have nothing to gain here but I can tell you the God's honest truth. When you first started working there, I would hear Ophals and Gordon make remarks about your weight and say he would eventually fire you because you just werent "bright enough" to get good results.
I went to bat for you repeatedly. I told Mr. holier than though Ophals that you had something. Not everyone can be a recruiter and out of everyone, I wanted to train you.
instead, he picked his pretty and mindless assistant for me to train and it was a waste of time. As time progressed, your results got better and I still wanted to have one on one time with you. He would laugh it off and say your best skill was the "office spy". You won't see it because you are still working for them but I wanted you to know that I still think you have awesome potential to have a very progressive career in recruiting.
Don't waste it on the concept of "loyalty" or expect much in return for your efforts there. Also, don't let your ego be stroked too high that you are blinded. Take it from someone who is much older, wiser, and has been in the recruiting field for years. Good recruiters who are brought into the best positions are done so through word of mouth and networking.
You are wasting precious time if you want to be sitting as a Corporate Recruiting Manager like I was. I saw your attitude go from great to almost being a sneaky little snake at the end. Don't let them change you.
You can find me on FB if you ever want to chat. I got married, but my name is above.
Brandi, you are a great and accurate representation of the CW staff. Complete TRASH!!!!!!!!!!
Your responses are ridiculous. Saying you've done more in your 23 yrs than most have done in their life is laughable. Excuse me while I chuckle. Ha!Ha!Ha!
You live in a trailor (which is fine but not when you make statements as if you are more accomplished than most your age), and you make $8/hr lying to everyone you make contact with. The only thing you have accomplished more than the avg person your age is being obese, which is why James and Jamison stick you in a freakin cubicle and would never offer you anything more.
Way to bat for a company who would never have your back. Hahahahaha
These are my personal opinions after working at the Cunningham-Weatherspoon Agency. I quit a few months ago and am extremely happy with my decision. I have learned a lot from this less than pleasant experience. Let me start off by saying I am now at another insurance company and 1000x happier. I hope everyone realizes not ALL insurance companies run their business like this. My time at CWA was short lived for multiple reasons:
1. The "management" here was anything BUT what I consider to be management. John Ophals was my team leader but I wouldn't exactly call him a leader. He gave me extremely vague answers to my questions (this stems back to my "interview" which should have sounded an alarm right away. He kept telling me this was a 6 figure income, but NONE of the agents make even close to that. Do you think the turnover rate would be so bad if people were being treated well and trained properly? Nobody lasted more than a month or 2. John also never took the time to sit down with me, set goals, train, or show me how to reach my goals. (Let me say, I am not a person to half *** anything, I always put in 100%) Basically, I was fed the same thing everyone else has been fed. "This is a 6 figure position" and "I drive a Maserati." Of course, this place looks appealing when you pull up and see luxury cars all parked out front. Then once you start working there, you realize what's really going on. It's all a big fraud. Even the other "MGA" drives an old Camry, yet the agents coming in are supposed to make 6 figures? Hmm, how does that makes sense?
2. As much as I disliked John and Ip, I disliked James and Jamison even more. This is THEIR company, and they've let it get to this point. AIL in general have different recruiting and hiring tactics as a whole, but that's not what bothers me. (I saw past the gimmick and flashy cars) What bothers me is that the BOSSES know their management under them is to blame for a lot of their people leaving, but have not changed one thing. They speak on loyalty, but does that mean they are staying "loyal" to John and IP even when they have been mistreating employees? Where is the logic in that? Their management is failing, and they are failing. They need to step up and lead by example instead of barking out orders. (That is directed more towards the MGA's and James. I actually like Jamison and think he is just along for the ride. James likes to put up a show that he is this big Christian/philanthropist/leader but he is also a major part in the demise of this company). I can't tell you the numbers of times I have been belittled and spoken down to by these 3 "managers."
3. Since day 1, I was lied to. I was told I would be reimbursed for my Green Light/training. Yehhhh, that never happened. I received my first check weeeeeeks later and it did not include the above. At that point I had invested over $300 and so much time I decided to stick it out. How can these MGA's and SGA's lie straight to all these peoples faces and go home to their families and fall asleep at night????????
4. The job itself was horrible. I am an agent at another agency and I love it. I feel like I am genuinely helping families and completely honest with them. We were taught at CWA to lie and cheat our ways into homes. I never felt good about what I was doing here and was ashamed. Lying and cheating won't get you far in the long run, and now CWA is learning the hard way. When I left, they had hardly any agents left, most of the recruiters had all quit, and the rest of the staff seemed extremely unhappy.
5. I couldn't help but feel like I was in some secret society where ideals were pushed on me that I didn't agree with. I don't believe in lying, cheating, stealing, or scamming to make a dollar.
6. My hours were VERY long. (which I have no issue working if I am properly compensated and not having to feel slimy while doing)
I put in between 60-80 hrs per wk. It's easy for them to blame the agents and say we were lazy, demotivated, etc. But I think this site and the company speaks for itself. They opened 4 offices and now 2 remain. Barely.
All in all, there were HUGE RED FLAGS I should have seen right away. I should have went with my gut. I honestly cannot think of
a positive to working here, and feel bad for anyone who wasted their time, money, and energy trying to do so. Please do your research first!!!!!!!
You must not have another job and are the biggest loser in the world to actually take the time to write this long blog of BS!!! Read a book and get god in Ur life