Anonymous
map-marker Mount Vernon, Indiana

Cretan St Bernards Saint Bernard Dog Review

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Absolutely these folks are bad breeders.. This is a puppy mill and the genetic defects are numerous. Please do not buy from these people.

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Toya Rim

What’s ur number?

Anonymous

Unhealthy puppy

We had purchased our 1st Saint from the Kleins recently. We fell in love with a sweet girl that was older and needed some TLC according to Rhonda. She emailed us photos of the dog and told us that she had to take her away from the previous breeder she sold her to as they were neglecting her and could not care for the dogs allergies. We were told that the dog had allergies but nothing severe. Long story short, we were finally told that the dog was going to be put down so we made the decision that we wanted a puppy.......

We find an adorable female pup that was "8 weeks" old. Rhonda said that we could forward her a deposit to hold the puppy so that she knew we were serious. The day came for us to contact Rhonda to make the final payment prior to her shipping us our puppy. We took care of everything and awaited for Rhonda to call and provide us with a time of arrival so that we could pick up our puppy. Once we were at the airport, we finally seen the kennel that our new member of the family was in....tiny, we hade to actually unscrew the kennel bolts to safely get her out!!! The worker that brought her out to us said he has never seen something this bad. She smelled of stale urine and had pooped dried onto her, its not like the flight was delayed or took hours! We got her home and really got to examining her, her fur was stained and her eyes had a small red ball bulging out of her eyelid which we discovered was a severe case of cherry eye! We bathed our new pup as she seemed down, which I would be too if I were in the condition she was in! about 2 hours later we had to rush her to our vet as she began to seizure and had blood coming out of her mouth and was bleeding when she pooped herself! We called Rhonda to let her know what was going on and if our vet could give her a call, she had her husband get onto the phone to "deal with me". He asked what we did to her, we did absolutely nothing wrong and were devastated that the "breeder" was not even compassionate about the conditions this poor baby was in!

The puppy passed away about an hour later. At this point we were distraught!, We hadn't even had her for 12 hours and she passes away! Our vet called Rhonda and she was incredibly rude claiming that he killed the puppy and hung up on him. We were unable to get back into contact with Rhonda.

We had the puppy sent off to have a full necropsy/autopsy. We had finally gotten the results which determined her stomach and intestines were infested with worms and ***, they believed the puppy had been eating her *** for quite some time as she had a severe bacterial infection as well as an unbelievable about of *** in her stomach. Our vet as well as the other professionals determined that the health certificate for the puppy was non legitimate and they had contacted her vet to find that no health certificate was issued.

We contacted Rhonda that evening of discovering the results. We were told that she sent all of the proper items and that we were nuts. Than accused us of the damages done to the puppy. We requested a refund and were literally cussed at and hung up on. We later got a phone call from her husband threatening us and screaming at us for hurting his wife and puppy. Our 3 children are beside themselves as getting this puppy meant a new chapter in our lives. We were thrilled to start such a wonderful adventure, now we get to comfort our grieving children as they know Sage(the puppy) wont be joining our family and that rainbow bridge gained a new baby! We are seeking legal action against the Kleins and will go to the end of the earth to prevent another innocent family from enduring this heart breaking situation!

These people are trash and for them to say they are breeders and responsible is absolutely disgusting!

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Guest

I personally know the Klein's and I really do not believe this at all. If you truly had a puppy in that condition I would look to the airport before I blamed the breeder.

First and foremost, the airlines regulate the size of the kennel a puppy is shipped in so there is no way the kennel was as small as you have stated. To all that are reading this....Please take it with a grain of salt. All of this is fabricated. Unlike the previous posts, I am a reputable breeder and will be very glad to give my name and information for you to contact me because what I say about the Klein's I will stand by.

I have no desire to post lies about decent people on a public forum. The Klein's take very good care of their Saints and all of this about them having sick dogs is all lies. I know their dogs. I know their bloodlines.

My name is Leslie Parrish and I own The Hillbilly Southern Saints.

Anyone that would like to hear the truth about the Klein's breeding program is welcome to contact me on Facebook. To those of you talking this trash about them all I can say is SHAME ON YOU!

Guest
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The Kleins or thrown out of the Indiana St. Bernard club for shady dealings.

They have done nothing but take advantage of people and when you pissed them off they will start a whole message board against you with bogus claims to make you look bad. I have been a victim of this. By them. When I expected a dog that I bought to show to be replaced I was told by Richard Klein "I would live to regret it" to this day I am getting asked questions about me on complaint boards and it took awhile to find out (from another breeder that the kleins were behind multiple bogus stories) it originated with them.

They have also sold the SAME DOG to multiple buyers(including to India) for very large sums of money, collected the money and sent NOBODY the dog!!!!!

They are liars and and thieves!!!' Stay away from them at all costs. Rhonda Klein plays and innocent meek mouse while rick her husband "handles people"

They are BAD people

Guest

This is so heartbreaking :cry sorry you and your family had to go through this. I must say, this does not surprise me.

Her dogs have many health issues, as she knows, and still breeds and sells them. It's all about the money for her. They have many cases against them for things like this. She has such a bad attitude also, no respect for others and no self-respect for herself.

I'd be happy to help you get a Saint puppy and you're more than welcome to come to my house and inspect every inch of my Saints! :)

Guest

When it comes to buying a pedigree dog or cat you must visit the breeder. Pictures can lie but visiting the site, seeing the parents and the conditions they live in can save you from heartache. If they do not allow visitation for ANY reason that is a huge red flag and you should run away.

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Anonymous

I lent money to the Kleins and lost it, reserved a puppy and didn't get it

I lent USD 1,500 to the Kleins, to be returned when they sold their next puppy. I have never got that money back, nor did they reply to my e-mails. Since they move a lot (because they don't pay their rent), I could not track them down.

I also had a puppy selected from a litter. They were supposed to give me that puppy in lieu of the USD 1500. Next time I went to visit the puppy, it had been sold.

Thier excuse is always that I lent the money to Richard, but the sold puppies were hers, so he couln't give me the money back.

These are only the most important issues I had with them.

Andrew Luescher

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Guest

They live in indiana now and Richard has a contractors license supposedly maybe it will help you claim some money back

Anonymous
map-marker Lubbock, Texas

Shameful!!!!

I will make this as short and sweet as possible! Cretan St Bernards ( Rhonda ) should be ashamed of themselves for their terrible misrepresentation of their puppies.

We have had Every problem that Everyone who has posted a complaint has had. Waiting for paperwork, incorrect paperwork, scars on ear, cataract, etc... We love our saint and wouldn't trade him for the world. That said, BUYER BEWARE!!!!!!

It has become my personal mission to put them out of business. FYI- the posts on here from Charleston Illinois, defending Rhonda and Cretan St Bernard Puppy Mill, are from Rhonda and her Deadbeat husband. The judgements are not clerical, they are in fact for inhumane practices ranging from poor conditions to improper business transactions.

Shame on you Rhonda! Your day of reckoning is fast approaching....

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Guest

I wish i had seen this a few months ago. I agree, poor breeders with no regard for quality or health issues.

Guest

BTimmons is Bridget Timmons of Nebraska, she is another puppy mill just like the Kleins. Sick dogs and pups. Sad sad sad!

Antwaine Hdm

I would just like to agree with Kelly! I have 3 dogs from Rhonda at Cretans.

All of which are big beautiful and healthy! I received my paper work when I was supposed to and have no complaints. I think that some people need to find something better to do with their time then bad mouth someone's business! If everyone thought and believed that Cretans was so terrible, why would Rhonda still be selling dogs??

To repeat customers?? Rhonda has always been there along the way to answer questions, give advice and mentor first time handlers. She's one knowledgeable lady and she knows what she's doing! And the matter of airing her personal business via Internet is uncalled for!

Her personal business (money wise) has nothing to do with the health complaints about her dogs! And frankly isn't anybody's business!! Putting someone's financial business, or what they believe is their financial situation on here for the public to be nosey is flat out rude!

Get your facts straight before posting..... There's a name used for that its slander!!

Guest

I don't know you Mr Green, but I can tell you that Rhonda has been wonderful to me. Our beautiful puppy turns one year old this month, and she is as wonderful today as the day we got her.

Our vet has had nothing but wonderful things to say about her, and Rhonda gave me more paperwork than I had payed for. She has kept in touch with us and is always available to answer any questions I have.

Anyone who is looking to add a St Bernard to their family would be lucky to get one from Rhonda and Cretan St Bernards. Our baby is and has always been happy and healthy and an absolute joy.

Guest

Didn't want to be anonymous. Want you to remember my name!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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theyarecrooks
map-marker Wapello, Iowa

Cretan saint bernards they are scam artist

Do not buy a Saint Bernard from Cretan Saints. They are responsible for wrong doings all over the United States.

Contact a few other breeders and ask them a little bit about them you will then know why to stay away from a kennel that only breeds on one priority MONEY. They are very eager to tell you what you want to hear once they get your money it might be the last you hear from them. The guy who owns the kennel has almost one hundred thousand dollars in judgements against him. Its on line public record that's how I found out.

PLEASE DO NOT CONTRIBUTE TO THEESE PEOPLE. If you want to save you and your dog allot of heart ache please stay away from them. They will take advantage of anyone they think they can fool.

This happens allot with their show breeding prospectus I have learned the hard way. The more breeders you call especially around their area the better off you are.

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Guest

You are right. They cheated me out of a lot more money than they have you.

I lent them money to help them through what was supposed to be a difficult situation and never got it back. They also sold a puppy I had reserved to someone else.

They move so often (they don't pay their rent either) that one cannot get a hold of them. They are dishonest and have no ethics.

Guest

Anyone had any problems or heard of YoungStead St Bernards?

Guest
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Yes! For your sake, and for the sake of innocent lives, Please, PLEASE DO NOT get your dog from them.

If you want to know why I would be happy to share my reasons with you over email.

Guest

I bought a "show prospect" from this woman a few years ago. The dog was almost 6 months old before I received any information regarding registering the dog, and the health certificate that came with the dog listed the wrong birthdate, so I suspect it was not the health certificate for that particular dog.

It was shipped via airplane and when it arrived there was a quarter sized circle of hair loss on the ear. After taking the puppy to the vet it was determined to be demodectic mange. In addition, the puppy developed pano, fear aggression, and later bilateral hip dysplasia. When I notified the breeder, she promptly ignored me and I haven't heard a word since.

I still have the dog and it is a treasured part of my family, but that is besides the point. Go to another, more reputable, breeder.

Guest
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Hello Disgusted: I am not buying a dog from them but I have a dire need to get an address for them. The website is frozen so I cannot get an address on them.

Thank you.

Guest

I have one of Rhonda's dogs. He is the sweetest and gentle dog you will ever meet.

I got my papers with no hassle. I don't think I over payed. Champ truly is a Gentle Giant. I would buy from her again.

My vet cant get enough of him.

When Champ goes there for his bath, they let him walk around he is not even caged. He stays all day.

Guest

Cretan St Bernards have a very bad reputation. I have transported 4 dogs for them and there customers all have complained about not getting there papers.

I took a rubber check from them that I still have not been paid for.

I call about the check and get a runaround. buyer beware

Guest
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Dear Dennis: I need to get Cretan's address. I am not buying a dog from them.

Thank you.

Guest

woow to many bad complaints

Looks like these good ones are comming from their friends or family members

I was actually thinking to get a puppy from them

BUT

after all of this

***,,,,,,NOOO

Thank You Cretans and have a wonderful life

Guest

woow to many bad complaints

Looks like these good ones are comming from their friends or family members

I was actually thinking to get a puppy from them

BUT

after all of this

***,,,,,,NOOO

Thank You Cretans and have a wonderful life

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ray s Odc
map-marker Seattle, Washington

Cretan st bernards

Bought a saint from them came with worms eye problems and vacinations not up to date.

They would do nothing about it. All they cared about was getting there money. I will have to

pay out 1500.00 to corect all the problems.Check them out with the SBCA before you buy.

Any reputable saint breeder would not sell a saint with entropian without letting the buyer know.

And never say a saint with this problem is good for show or breeding. Ones that do just are there to

take your money and run. There just lucky I do not live in the same state as I would have taken

them to court.

RAY----agilitysaints@***.net

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Guest

I was considering a puppy put of Cretan sire and am glad I stumbled across this.

To the poster who claims puppies are born with worms, you are so mistaken.

If a dam has been properly wormed she has none to pass on to her pups.

When you use a responsible, ethical breeder, you don't bring worms home with your pup. Period.

Guest

Just have to say, we got our beautiful St Bernard puppy from the Kleins and she is wonderful in every way. Perfect temperament, beautiful confirmation and markings.Our vet thinks she is outstanding.

We love her dearly.

Rhonda was helpful, and still checks in every now and then to make sure Rosie is doing ok and we aren't having any problems. I wouldn't hesitate to get another St Bernard from them!

Guest

Maybe the laws are differant in NZ But here if you can prove what you say which I can there is no slander. It always helps to have a lawyer in the family.

RAY--agilitysaints@***.net

Guest

thats a awfully big statement to make they can do you with slander

hope the saints ookay

Guest

First the dog is 1 and 1/2 years old worms should have been taking care of. As far as the eyes any reputable breeder would have known something was wrong with his eyes. The vet I took him to is the Best vet in wash. state. Recommended by Wash state vet school.

I have owned saints for over 40 yrs. So I know what is right and wrong with saints. She would not even email me back when I told her the problem. Her add stated good for show or breeding. You do not breed a saint with bad eyes.

Consider your self lucky I wasn't.

agilitysaints@***.net

Guest

hello Ray

I have several dogs from the kleins...3 in fact. I have no issues with them what so ever...

First off puppies have worms are born with worms.. treat it get over it!!! thats no biggie. the eye thing here is my opinion..

let ur dog grow up.. when the saint head grows sometimes the excess skin rolls in but as soon as the head matures it pulls it back out. if you fix this before they are done growing you can casue many more problems.. If you vet tells you that it has to be fixed then find one that knows about saints..

I will REPEAT I HAVE WONDERFUL DOGS FROM THE KLEINS!!!

no issues in fact getting ready to get another one from them... Plus not only that they been there for me but they also helped me with my dog that I got from another breeder Find a breeder taht will do that!!!!!

Guest
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You are obviously one of the Klein's because the above statement is almost word for word what they sent to me. Its funny as *** that so many trained vets are all wrong but this one breeder is always right.

Guest

Their not there. There is a difference, lol.

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Anonymous
map-marker Wapello, Iowa

Scam artist

Do not buy a Saint Bernard from Cretan Saints they are liars only in it for the mdimeoney don't let them fool you. They are more of a puppy mill solely in it for money.

CONTRACT. Another breeder before sending them a dime. They will play you for every last penny they can milk out of people. If you trust them you would be one of the few that have had a good experience with them.

If you are thinking about a show breeding prospect do NOT BUY FROM THEM.

YOU WILL REGRET IT. Please take this very seriously it will save you a lot of heart ache for a loved Saint Bernard that you payed for.

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