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I was very interested in Market America. I was contacted by a person I know and they were very heavly invested into market america.

What I didn't like is when they constantly used the terms 'BV' and 'IBV'. BV are products that are available exclusive through the company and IBV are partner companies such as K-mart, Best Buy etc etc. To get initiated, you must put money down to purchase products. I was told I need '600 BV' to get started.

Well in my mind, what exactly is BV equivalant to in real life money. It is just over $1000. For these times where the economy is hard and jobs are not easy to come by, telling a person to spend $1000 on *** I don't need, and promising them it will sell, is a lot of money. Promise is nice and all, but if I dont hear the words "I guaranty you will sell..." is not very reassuring.

Again, remember, it is over $1000 you could be throwing away. So after the $1000 well spent, you have to purchase 50BV every month. 50BV equates to about $134. For me, I am a single man living on my own, I don't spend $134 a month on nutriants or supplments or shampoo or energy drinks.

Where this all went wrong with me is this and this is why I got upset. After I gave the individuals my credit card information for my initial $1000 down, this person CHOSE and DID NOT tell me about the 50BV I had to buy every month. He took my credit card information and used it so he could get 50BV added onto his score too. Again he fraudulantly used my credit card.

I report it and him to market america and nothing was done. This is a pretty good representation of how market America does business. It is a pyramid scheme. Please remember this, if it sounds too good to be true, it is.

If you make money off of the person below you and also with the person below them, it is illegal. Also remember this,you go to work to MAKE money, NOT PAY money. When I go to work today, I do not go to get a bill. I go to get paid.

Can Market America be profitable? Sure. Any company can be. But in the case of pyrimid schemes, you need to be the first few people to join.

I looked at the top people making money in MA, guess who they are, JR (owner) and the 15 people who he got to join him.

Save yourself the money and time and don't go and do not join this. People should not have to sell you the company, you should want to join the company and you should have to sell yourself to the company.

Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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You got it all wrong!

Guest

you didn't get the real flow of what Market America is doing. please do not simply condemn any system out there, I am commenting at the neutral position, you yet to understand the things in depth and putting confusing comments like that is wrong.

Guest

Its 300BV to join. The person who sponsored you did a really *** job.

We are here to educate and HELP people, not to steal their credit cards. Ive never even seen a single customer of mines or business partners credit card. Its also 150BV a quarter, you don't need to order monthly. You also go to work and work for someone else, you aren't there to build a business.

That's why you don't get a bill. No business that will pay you for the rest of your life is free, and MA sure isn't illegal or else they wouldn't have been successful for 26 years and counting ;)

Guest

First, there is no initial payout of $1000. The Unfranchise cost is $129.00 a year!

If you want to fast pass to your 50BV that is #399 which would include the $129, the products that give you over your 50BV.The yearly cost is equivalent to Amazon Prime! The difference is when you refer people to your own site you earn a commission. I have worked for a Fortune 500 company for 20 years and they didn't share a commission with every employee, or shareholder.There are 5 required training or conventions you need to attend per year, only 2 require travel within the USA.An Unfranchise owner cannot just take your credit card without you handing it over and signing off for what you spend it on.MA Unfranchise owners don't sell, we offer a product to anyone who already buys: Laundry Detergent, Make-up, Supplements (I know people who spend thousands of dollars a month on them), Just because you don't know or you don't, doesn't mean no-one does!It is not an MLM organization and is a two-tier organization in order to make it easier for the TEAMs to help those below. Which is why each person only has 2 direct partners.

Pyramid's are illegal!

This is VERTICAL structure.Answer why would the BBB have awarded the organization the Torch Award in 2013 and 2018 and the company carries an A+ rating for years? The A+ rating is based on CUSTOMER SATISFACTION!

Guest

So, what you are saying is you didn't do your due diligence and research the company compensation program or how the system works before you handed over the 1st $1000, and - new nothing about the required 50BV as an active business builder/ unfranchise owner expects to spend on a business each month. I don't think you understand how much it costs to run the Real Pyramid business called the Corporation.

At least with Networking businesses, I'm rewarded for my efforts instead of having to either do unethical practices or be a part of the Good Ol Boy's Club if I'm even invited into a group like that, for the hopes of climbing the Corporate ladder. Corporations, where Employee's are replaceable and promotions are limited. That is a Pyramid, not network marketing.

Granted, there are some MLM"s I've been a brief part of that have no business being in business, but Market America is not one of them; I'm speaking from experience.

I think this is my 12th MLM I"ve signed up for. I've been an active and semi active part of all of them. It takes time to learn how to network. I now call the first 11 tries "training to get me ready for the best net=work=marketing business I've found", and (I've done my research!!!).

Hands down, Market America is the best opportunity for me, as I've stayed (open) to opportunities, even after 11 MLM fails. The info is searchable on Google.

Do your due diligence, and research it for yourself, that is the only way you will find the truth, for yourself. So it is.

Guest

The GREAT thing about this business, which all of you has definitely missed ONE of the many things that different about this business. Everything is 100% up and down and infinity when it comes to BV and IBV.

It does not matter who us Under you or above you. its Team Work. We all leverage off eachothers efforts.

you guys are missing out on a real opportunity . All of negative Nancys need to see the plan again and realize you Are all WRONG.

Guest

First it's not a grand it's 400 and Chang and what this *** didn't say is all the web portal u get and they tell you to get these products to get familiar with them is this company for everyone no but if you can make a residual income would you pass up the chance to look at it no market America has an a+ eating one bbb. You can't start a business and expect it to do work for you put in the work

Guest

I agree, I cant stand the words BV &IBV I got roped into this scheme by family & it is like paying to say you work for a company. Being a single parent its hard to spend $130+ monthly to promise you income in two years.

And it most surely is a pyramid scheme they want you to recruit 2 people & those two people recruit 2 people. I fortunately am stuck in it because of my family.

Guest

I am not a market America distributor but I am a business owner. My business cost me tens of thousands of dollars to start and now my monthly overhead is thousands of dollars. What you're describing is not unreasonable to own a business.

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I have NEVER had to pay any money to earn money. Huge warning sign right there. When you have all those red flags, you know that a scam is not far away.

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do you have to pay money to buy a business???? That's what this is, a business.

Guest

I've been paying $69.95 + $5 SHIPPING for Market America OP3 for a few months, then I found this company that sells a OP3 product for only $39.95 with FREE SHIPPING which is better then the Market America OP3.

I've also compared Market America other products that earns BV points and Market America prices are higher than what you can find at other sites or Walmart, etc.

If I sign up with Market America how can I sell products that is higher than what's out there. Sooner or later people will wise up to Market America high prices.

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Because when you purchasr OPC 3 directly from MA , you are geting tip of the line products. When you purchase cheaper OPC 3 from other websites it can be near expiring from people who want to get rid of it.

Guest

Well, I guess I got out very easy. I was about to hand over my money, but decided to do some checking on the owner.

Turns out, he and his wife like to flaunt their riches and prefer to hang out with celebrities, rather than common folks.

Pathetic. Those common folks are what got him rich, selling his products.

He also has a history of deception concerning shares. He was fined by the SEC, and even in spite of that, did more deceptive acts concerning shares.

When I brought my findings to the attention of the person who was going to "recruit" me, the entire group shunned me.

LOL

Shunned, but I still have my money while they are paying for this. Paying for that. Paying for tickets to go see their cult leader get richer by their hard earned money. All these people are doing is paying out and paying out and paying out.

The person who was recruiting me showed me her account. She was so proud that she had $65 sitting in her Market America backend account. Really? A whole $65???!!!!

Woo hoo! You spent well over $1,000 on their products, plus more each month to maintain that BV! Oh my. I saved over $1,000 by not buying into the same scheme they did.

Now, they will never ever get their investment back because they have to keep buying products each month. I also saw how much she was buying. Bottles and bottles sitting around unused because the monthly requirement is more than she can consume. How's that investment working out for you now?

Shun me... go ahead. I did my homework before forking over money. I will not support a man who prefers to hang around celebrities than common folks.

Wow..I even got ditched from Facebook by that so-called friend who was so angry that I did my homework. How professional of you people pushing MA on people then getting angry and acting unprofessional when the thinking people ask tough questions. Don't like your cult leader being challenged, do you?

Do your homework people. Check out the shareholder fraud and deception on the owner, and research what he and his wife REALLY think of you...suckers!

Guest

For those who jump up and down about investing $400 to start a business, shame on you. You should keep punching the time clock to make your bosses dreams happen.

You do not have what it takes to run a business. $400 is nothing, it is a small investment. $150 a month is nothing, wake up. You have a poor man attitude.

Stop drinking that girly Starbucks drink everyday, stop smoking, stop the energy drink habit. You are only talking a $5 a day investment. It is not your fault that you have been conditioned by the system. This began when you were a child and had to go to school.

You got up early went to school from 8 to 3 (add home work) you had a ten hour day. Then you enter the real world and work an 8 plus hour day.

To break free from this sheep mentality you must strive for more than a 9 to 5. I have a six figure income and have not worked 9 to 5 or punched a time clock in 15 years.

Losers stop trying, winners never give up.

Stop crying like little babies, man up, and move forward. Yep, if you are hurt by what I said then you know it is the truth.

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I doubt u make 6 figures w. MA.

If u do...u got in very early. Perhaps u are buds w JR. He is actually a genius. He broke away from amway...

twisted the "system" a bit...renamed it the "unfranchise" system, and now is making millions on the "lambs" who follow him. I'm not saying he is a good person. I have met him and I don't think he cares a spit about his 1000's of distributors who average 2.00 an hour selling his overpriced products. Simply look at the system.

U get recruited by someone. U recruit 2 more... those 2 recruit 2 more etc. Pure MLM OR PYRAMID SCHEME.

I really don't know of other companies who force u to by their products. I worked for GM (general motors) for a decade. I did not have to purchase a new car every year. But when I did..

I received hefty discounts.

I wish all MA distributors all the luck. U will need it.

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yeah, i also know a guy whose mazda got scratched allover in the parking lot of the GM factory he worked for.... Ha ha.

Probably by too zealot coworkers who felt that he should drive a GM car. Keep working at GM. That is a noble thing to do. Who cares for the self ownership and entrepreneurship headaches?

certainly not a GM worker. you should really not bother to look at this business. You have been too spoiled by your company. so stay there.

But if you loose your job and no one will give you a similar pay then call me. :)

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This is sadly so true. I cannot tell you how many times I heard people saying that "why should the company take $ 150 every month of my credit card".

It happens because these people are too lazy to read or too *** to comprehend. I am sorry people if you feel offended but as a traditional business owner, i can tell you that before my clinic door opens every morning it costs me about $270 to $300 PER DAY in rent, staff salaries, telefon, internet, cleaner etc...(you do the math if i tell you my monthly expenses are about $8500 before i start making any money. And did i ever complain that my landlord takes money from my pocket? How could I?

this is a business expense well understood by any business owner, big or small! the problem is when you take average Joe who never had a business and try to make him understand that you cannot harvest wheat if you did not sow it. So when I was told that my initial investment would be $399 and monthly "rent" about $150- $300 and make easily more money than the clinic in 3-4 years program having the clinic all along too, i thought it was a no brainer. I have been in market america business now about 10 months and made a total commission of about $3500 .

Some may say that I barely got back what i put in and they may be right . The point is that the residual income is growing and the distance between the pay cheques is shortening. And i cannot say that i worked very hard, for sure not as hard as I did when I started the clinic 17 years ago; but I did it steady and I went to lots and lots of trainings and i red the business manual and i will not let a stone unturned until i find out what needs to be done properly. Hope that helps for the nay-rs out there.

From Canada with Love, A. M.

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I've met more people that USED to punch in the time clock that are now retired and living happy than anyone that was involved with any type of recruiting/membership network marketing company. They all claim to not be network pyramid schemes, but they all are.

I've never met anyone who succeeded in these companies.

Just a lot of upset people that wasted their time. I feel bad because they are my friends, but oh well!

Guest

Exactly. The company makes money out of you to join the pyramid.

You have to shred out 1000 dollars and each month had to spend about 100 dollar as a mandatory to stay and the up line distributor takes credit for it and her bv added to theirs

You can't even make money off selling retail from your mandatory monthly products.

Because you get it a few dollars cheaper but guess what all the *** such as administrative fees, shipping fees n taxes will come out to be the same price that anyone could get at the ma website. So no one is going to buy from you when they can buy off eBay or other place for way less and if you try do sell them in eBay your not making redial profit your losing money

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