CNCs Standard Poodles

Well, JeanMarie is correct. When a responsible person decides to breed,it should be to further the quality of a breed.

Genetic testing helps insure genetic problems are not continued and passed along to unsuspecting purchasers. I, personally, like Golden Retrievers and Poodles. Both breeds have great qualities. And, I know many people enjoy the mixing of the two breeds.

I know Golden breeders who will not breed to get mixed breeds, they are into furthering their breed lines. It sounds like JeanMarie is a responsible breeder who is working hard to improve the Poodle line. Your response to JeanMarie seems to indicate your ego was bruised a little.

If you are going to become a breeder,get used to it as breeding can be a competitive business. And find a good genetic testing vet and do the testing!

Agree with the postes and the breeders. The breeder is correct in both information and attitude. You have a mixed breed dog with the worst possible combination of sickness and death. The genetic illnesses of poorly bred golden retrievers and standard poodles may not have doomed your beloved dog, but the odds are against him and every single puppy you create.

Did you know that 60% of golden retrievers will die of cancer? And both breeds have issues with hip dysplasia, elbows and knee problems? Did you know poodles can have epilepsy, Von Willebrands Disease, and sebataceous adentitis? Both breeds can have food allergies, environmental allergies, and irritable bowel diseases.

Cute backyard purebreds and mixed breeds can be great and healthy dogs. NO dogs should be bred without a lot of testing. Breaking the hearts of families by selling them genetically doomed dogs is wrong on so many levels.

You have a mutt. Get over it.

Nobody in their right mind would breed a dog that young. You did no testing for genetic diseases or other defects.

You'll breed to another doodle that probably hasn't been tested either. You'll end up with a letter of puppies that nobody wants.

The comment was informative and correct, not pompous! Attempting to stud a doodle at 6 mos or older even is nothing more than poor backyard breeding....so many of these dogs end up in the pound....a lot goes into responsible breeding as well as $$$.

I find the attitude of the person attempting to profit by studding out a basic mutt to be the person out of line and with the attitude.

The better response would have been to thank her for the information and follow her advice...there is testing available for these doodles and it is not cheap...best to do it since the goldens are riddles with disease. Most doodles are from less quality poodles and goldens as well since good breeders almost never sell to these breeders so they are using pet quality while making claims that cannot be backed up...like they are non shedding and hypoallergenic....if you want that the only way to get it is to buy a Standard Poodle.

A Golden Doodle is nothing more than a mutt. Nothing special. I rescue mutts.

Jean Marie is a very conscientious poodle breeder. She is a wealth of knowledge and completely ethical. You and all the other golden doodle breeders are idiots--bottom line is that golden doodles are muts.

I have actually met this breeder and know that she is most definately a good person and very educated about her breed of dog and in breeding in general. You are upset about the response she gave-well, that shows a lot about your character..you don't like the truth if it doesn't suit your interest.

Please, for your pets sake and all others..neuter your dog and don't attempt to get involved in promoting mixed breed dogs that just combines all the health problems of both breeds into one. I'm sure you have a great pet so enjoy him that way and hopefully you luck out with him being healthy and that he lives a long happy life.

It's a good thing the breeder is a "poodle-person", because otherwise, definately NOT a people-person. That goes for the other commentors 1-3 as well...

in fact if they WERE people-persons I would suspect they'd be the KBG. :eek

I found the breeder's response civil and informative. Your inquiry was obviously sent before you did any homework with regards breeding and you sorely need to be educated.

It's the people who go around trying to 'stud out' their 6 month old dogs because they're 'cute' that keeps Petfinder in over flow of dogs. Please neuter your dog and let the breeders who are putting thousands of dollars into their breeding programs because they are tyring to do the best for the breeds and for the future owners of the puppies....

breed. I felt that JeanMarie was incredibly diplomatic in her response!

Wow... Just...

Wow...

WHY would you try to stud your mutt out to such an obviously excellent breeder and then have the balls to whine about it online.

Why do I also have the feeling that you're going to end up backyard breeding?

EVERY pet should be SPAYED or NEUTERED. It's sickening how many perfectly good Heinz 57s are out there being neglected, put down, hit by cars etc. ***, purebreds end up in shelters and rescue organizations all the time. Think of any breed and I guarantee there is a rescue organization for them.

Different breeds have different personalities, strengths, weaknesses and standards. Most people don't do enough research into what dog(s) would fit into and complement their lifestyles the best.

After the live action '101 Dalmatians' came out the public demand for the breed attracted a lot of people who, regardless of conformation, health, temperament etc - . Then the pups got older and people realized they weren't 'growing out of' their 'problems' - chewing, destroying furniture, refusing voice commands - generally acting like the intelligent, high energy dogs they are! Dalmatians are Wonderful dogs, but they need intensive training and a high energy owner.

The breed was bred for high energy work from hunting to army guard dogs. Long story short, Dals started showing up in humane societies and rescue organizations in record numbers. Golden Doodle mutts may be 'fashionable' right now, but what is going to happen to them when the next designer dog comes around? There are already many in shelters and running as strays.

On top of that there are the genetic diseases as have been described thoroughly and accurately below. As for JeanMarie's response, she sounds very professional, helpful and CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR DOG and ANY POTENTIAL GET! :x So many dogs are irresponsibly bred for profit it is disgusting. You offering your baby mutt for 'stud' is insulting to any breeder and anyone who cares about animal welfare.

I am amazed she not only wrote you back, (instead of writing you off as the quack you are) but gave you very sound advice and information. If I had been in her place I would have reported you to the ASPCA. Enjoy your dog as a PET, not a potential REVENUE SOURCE. Before you think about trying to breed him out, just remember how many unwanted, neglected dogs become unnecessarily ill, homeless and ultimately pay the price of their owner's greed and ignorance with their LIVES.

:( Ahem. Stepping off my little soapbox now. Going to go walk one of the 3 'doodles' we currently have at the shelter. (Lab, Golden and Cocka - wonderful dogs.

The Lab and Golden are both up for adoption from Toronto SPCA.

The Cockadoodle was rescued from a puppy mill, she's going to a foster home for awhile before she can go. They are all spay/neutered, microchipped, dewormed, with up to date Parvo/rabies etc vaccinations and as complete a medical background as is available included in adoption fee.) Plug Plug

Wow Curtis! You should have paid attention to punctuation and inflection when reading.

I read her response as informative and educational as you informed her you've never bread dogs.

The only line that could have been INTERPRETED as snarky was the "if you think your doodle is great...". Even that sounded more like she was extolling the virtues of Poodles. We've had and bread both an she is 100% correct.

Poodles are THE *** Most manly dog ever is a male standard Poodle. Mine has humped a 150lb Rotty into crying.

I think CNC had the right as a breeder of intigrity to be blunt and honest with you. No pure breeder of merit would consider getting involved in mix breeding.

You should have thought this through before contacting any breeder.

Testing is a must!

It's the responsible thing to do IF you want to breed. Homework.....study up on the breeds and breeding, then if you want to continue your knowledgable and will be able to answer puppy buyers questions and concerns.

I don't know what Lena1234 was thinking. No purebred breeder would consider breeding with a non-purebreed.

I have purchased two beautiful standards from her and the reason was her knowledge and willingness to share that knowledge. I first met Jean Marie and her husband at a AKC show. We were looking to replace our Dalamation that had just passed after haveing her for 17 years. We started with the minature breeders who did not have time to talk to us and as we were walking around ran into Jean Marie husband who was walking one of their beautiful males "Rage".

He took us back to this lady that was busily working on 3 dogs getting them ready to show. I thought well she won't have time to talk, but I was very mistaken. While she was grooming the dogs, she talked to us and explained what she was doing, their breeding outlook and was genuinally interested in us. As I have gotten to know Jean Marie better, I have found her very willling to share her extensive knowledge and help anyone that asks.

Lena1234 needs to do her research before she slams someone.

Jean Marie was in no way rude, but just telling her the facts and trying to educate her. Way to go Jean Marie.

Proud owner of Sasha and Ryder.

It is much better to contact a doodle breeder that has alot of experience in the breeding, health issues and placement of the offspring from these dogs. Contacting a show kennel to breed a standard poodle to a doodle sparks some emotions that are depicted in this chat that open all forms of comment, warrented and unwarrented.

In as much as genetics, there are specific issues in Labs, Goldens and poodles that need to be annually reviewed and updated. In the Golden Retriever, in the UVEA of the eye, Pigmentary Uveitis is common and most often the reason a golden retreiver is removed from a breeding pgm. I have Std Pdls and recently had this issue come up in a CERF exam of an older dog of ours. The Optimologist at the Reno Eye Clinic for Animals, Dan Lavach, DVM explained the Golden Retriever eye issue to us in Detail.

Goldens are no different than all other dogs, there are issues that come up.

Mother Nature is a brutal force and cruel at times. Genetics in ANY breed is essential in a responsible breeding pgm.

wow Kurtis! before you make such profound statements you should check YOUR information.

Goldens are prone to CANCER, thyroid problems, autoimmune issues can lead to allergies and hot spots, Sebateous Adenitis, to name a few. I'd consider these bad genetic problems. The fact is that Standard poodles have these same issues so if you breed a poodle and a golden that CARRY the same problems you will end up with affected offspring. If someone is breeding before two years of age (and I'd prefer to see the parents older than that) than you have no idea if you're breeding in these issues.

Of course there is no testing for some of these diseases but at least if you wait to a decent age you can weight the odds a little more in your favor. I wont even go into your comment about registering a mixed breed with AKC.

Perhaps you are thinking about the LLP which allows mixed breeds to compete... this is NOT the same thing as registration.

I found CNC's response to be honest, professional and to the point. There was nothing (that i could see!) insulting or out of hand.

I saw facts that the doodle owner should consider and an personal opinon added at the end. If this person wants to breed dogs perhaps they need to look at the very important information this breeder too the time to spell out.

Wow, Kurtis, you are fairly misinformed and mislead when it comes to AKC's registration, as well as equally misinformed in regards to genetic health diseases in golden retrievers. While it is true AKC has opened up a section with the sole purpose to register mutts, it is strictly on the basis that they can now compete in performance events ONLY and MUST be spayed/neutered and can NEVER be bred.

As for health issues in Golden Retrievers, you are also very mistaken in your assumption that they are healthy with little to no health issues. Do a simple google search and you will find many legit references to at least a dozen different health issues that are genetically inheritable diseases, including but not limited to vWD, PRA, Epilespy, cardiomyopathy, hip displasia, elbow displasia, and cataracts.

Also, its been well stated by many scientists that 2 different breeds that are interbred DO NOT create a true hybrid, therefore there is no such thing as hybrid vigor like what you get when you breed a horse and a donkey (getting a mule which is sterile and infertile). Because both standard poodles and golden retrievers have some of the same health problems you are not improving the health of the dogs.

Encouraging mixed breed dogs has caused MAJOR problems both with health issues in dogs and a large influx of doodles and other such mutts being dumped off at shelters and rescues all across the country. A major lack of education in "breeders" who want to make $$ combined with a lack of education in puppy buyers who aren't told all the facts regarding the health, temperament, disease, and hair/shedding issues and don't know what questions to ask.

For what its worth, its a free country and everyone has the right to thumb their nose at knowledge and education, and go on to publicly slander reputable people because of they perceived a personal insult in something that was said.

Wow, Kurtis, you are fairly misinformed and mislead when it comes to AKC's registration, as well as equally misinformed in regards to genetic health diseases in golden retrievers. While it is true AKC has opened up a section with the sole purpose to register mutts, it is strictly on the basis that they can now compete in performance events ONLY and MUST be spayed/neutered and can NEVER be bred.

As for health issues in Golden Retrievers, you are also very mistaken in your assumption that they are healthy with little to no health issues. Do a simple google search and you will find many legit references to at least a dozen different health issues that are genetically inheritable diseases, including but not limited to vWD, PRA, Epilespy, cardiomyopathy, hip displasia, elbow displasia, and cataracts.

Also, its been well stated by many scientists that 2 different breeds that are interbred DO NOT create a true hybrid, therefore there is no such thing as hybrid vigor like what you get when you breed a horse and a donkey (getting a mule which is sterile and infertile). Because both standard poodles and golden retrievers have some of the same health problems you are not improving the health of the dogs.

Encouraging mixed breed dogs has caused MAJOR problems both with health issues in dogs and a large influx of doodles and other such mutts being dumped off at shelters and rescues all across the country. A major lack of education in "breeders" who want to make $$ combined with a lack of education in puppy buyers who aren't told all the facts regarding the health, temperament, disease, and hair/shedding issues and don't know what questions to ask.

I guess its a free country and everyone has the right to thumb their nose at knowledge and education.