mike k Tqx

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Paid for a firearm still waiting

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paid for a firearm, still waiting. talked to Ryan, said it was his gm's fault.last time I talked to Ryan he said that he was working to get things back on track.just a load of ***

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Loss:
$1200

Preferred solution: Full refund

User's recommendation: DON'T DO IT

JohnB B

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| map-marker Mount Vernon, Alabama

I’m an idiot!

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I paid in advance on a promise that I would receive a Joshua MK5. I never got one and got shafted out of $1200.00. I hope wherever Ryan Kraft is, he is suffering from a severe toothache and painful hemmrhoids.

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Loss:
$1200

Preferred solution: Full refund

User's recommendation: Trust, but verify.

1 comment
Brahm Lrf

Hi, I'm so sorry you went through this. I really hope you'd consider reaching out to me at wncscamwatch@***.com , I'm trying to get to the bottom of this. Thank you so much.

Anonymous
map-marker Eastchester, New York

Cheated as well!

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Amendment Arms sold the manufacturing of a rifle to me as a work in progress, be patient, it will happen. It never did and one time during late 2015 I was able to speak to the manager Tom Wise. He told me to follow up with this fellow Ryan.

I have a total of $1300.00 invested and paid an additional amount for some updating. The website is still up but no one answers the phone or responds to mail, so obvious I and who knows how many others have been taken for a ride, a costly one, with no good results.

These crooks use the Bible with the Joshua name, well, may God strike them as hard as He can.

Karl M. Topp

DieWelt@***.com

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Loss:
$1500
Cons:
  • No delivery and no refund
  • No communication
Reason of review:
no product, no response, cheated

Preferred solution: Full refund

Derico Zcz
map-marker Arden, North Carolina

Looking to share info with other people who were scammed by Ryan Croft

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I am also a victim of the Amendment Arms scam. As I've looked around I've found that Ryan Croft has pulled scams in the past as well - Amendment Arms is not the first scam he has done.

He is also onto his next scam.

In any case, I'm looking to invite people to share their experiences and information about Ryan Croft & Co at https://ryancroftscams.wordpress.com/. If you have time, I greatly encourage you to come and check it out - I just started it out, so there isn't a ton of information on there at this very moment.

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Loss:
$1013
Cons:
  • No delivery and no refund
  • Very sorry business practices
Reason of review:
Product never delivered

Preferred solution: Full refund

1 comment
Guest

Why would you spend over $1000. On a gun promoted to be a cheap solution to the ar15?

The whole idea was arms for the people. The gun should be around the price of an ak47.

Anonymous
map-marker Claremont, California

Amendment Arms - Joshua Mk5 Rifle Joshua Mk5 Review from Claremont, California

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I paid for ( In full ) for 2 Joshua MK5's with chrome Molly barrels. So far they are not sending me any information and no one has called me back or even mailed me on why I do not have my weapons.

This is been over two years now what's going on. At this point I am demanding my money back

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Reason of review:
Order processing issue
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Guest

I am also a victim of the Amendment Arms scam. As I've looked around I've found that Ryan Croft has pulled scams in the past as well - Amendment Arms is not the first scam he has done.

He is also onto his next scam.

In any case, I'm looking to invite people to share their experiences and information about Ryan Croft & Co at https://ryancroftscams.wordpress.com/. If you have time, I greatly encourage you to come and check it out - I just started it out, so there isn't a ton of information on there at this very moment.

Anonymous
map-marker Arden, North Carolina

Ripped off by Amendmend Arms

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I ordered a Joshua MK5 rifle on Jan. 25,2013 and paid $1013.45.

The full price for the rifle. They then sent out an updated new barrel option for the rifle, so I paid another $160. for the upgrade.

Never received any thing from them, I called and talked to Rayn said it would be shipped in 30 days this was Nov.

2014. Never was shipped, later they had reported suppliers were behind on getting their parts to them. In Feb. 2015, their come out with more upgrades so I ordered them also for another $540.

Shortly after that I talked to Ryan and he said mine was in the new group. Then never heard anymore !!!

Here I have a signed contract thats not worth nothing. Any suggestion?

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Loss:
$1713
Cons:
  • Very sorry business practices
Reason of review:
Problem with delivery

Preferred solution: Full refund

2 comments
Guest

I have a suggestion! When you order something and it doesnt arrive, dont pay for upgrades that cost more for something you dont have.

Its idiot's like you that make smart con men like him rich. I'm sure he is still laughing about you today....idiot.

Derico Zcz

I am also a victim of the Amendment Arms scam. As I've looked around I've found that Ryan Croft has pulled scams in the past as well - Amendment Arms is not the first scam he has done.

He is also onto his next scam.

In any case, I'm looking to invite people to share their experiences and information about Ryan Croft & Co at https://ryancroftscams.wordpress.com/. If you have time, I greatly encourage you to come and check it out - I just started it out, so there isn't a ton of information on there at this very moment.

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Anonymous
map-marker Milton, Florida

Amendment Arms....RUN do not walk AWAY from this company

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I was one of the first 50 purchasers of the Joshua Mk 5 in 2013 based in part from a review from Tim Brown. Unfortunately, it was a case of "too good to be true". Over the next three plus years, I kept getting delays...excuses....but NEVER my PAID IN FULL rifle.

The Crofts intimated that Tom Wise was fired for embezzlement, but that said, the Crofts are no longer replying to emails or phone calls....and based on other "victims" comments are now trying to evade being served for small claims court.

Their website is STILL ACTIVE....but DO NOT PURCHASE ANYTHING from them. You WILL LOSE your money.

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Loss:
$3000
Cons:
  • No delivery and no refund
  • Delays
Reason of review:
Never received the paid for rifle

Preferred solution: Full refund

Anonymous
map-marker Bellingham, Washington

Ripped of by Amendment Arms

Ordered a Joshua MK 5 with the 1-8 twist ($160 extra). Received a rifle with the standard barrel 1-7 twist instead (per 2 separate gunsmiths).

Very disappointing in that I waited almost 2 years for it to get ripped off by them.Not to mention the packaging issues when I received it.It looks like they are out of business. Ryan's mistake was trusting tom to run the business (into the ground)while he (told me) he kept a hands off approach to running his own company, and waited too long to try to turn things around.Considering all this Amendment Arms probably did not deserve to survive.I talked to Ryan 6 months ago about the issue and was given a bunch of excuses.I wonder how many other customers did not get the match barrel they paid for.I will never again order a product from a new company starting out with no current product to sell.

Big mistake!! Shame on you Amendment Arms.

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Loss:
$340
Reason of review:
Not as described/ advertised
Anonymous
map-marker North Carolina, United States

Another MK5 never delivered

My $890.00 has gone the way of disappearing as apparently so has Ryan Croft. My Joshua MK5 rifle was ordered and paid for over two years ago but only excuses given as to why no delivery.

Several phone calls and texts went unanswered until a pm on facebook from Croft saying they were doing the best they could, had moved, equipment lost, etc.

It is especially upsetting that Laura and Ryan Croft presented themselves as "Christians" having used the name for the rifle from the Bible and other biblical references. The best I can offer at this point is "Caveat Emptor".

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Loss:
$890
Cons:
  • No delivery and no refund
Reason of review:
Problem with delivery

Preferred solution: Deliver product or service ordered

Devell Dne
map-marker Henderson, Nevada

Afraid I lost $890

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I paid $890 for the Joshua MK5 in January 2013 with the expectation that it would be delivered in May 2013. The contract also specified that if a customer paid the full amount when ordering, then the customer would get a $40 rebate each year for 5 years ($200 total). I emailed to find out more info on the $200 trigger upgrade and to ask why I did not receive a rebate last year. It seems they have many upgrades from barrels, triggers, grips, finish, etc., that they are trying to sell. It's like they are saying that the current rifle is not a good product and if you really want a good gun, you should pay them $1,100 more. The General Manager, Tom Wise, told me that my rifle is about to ship in the next 30-45 days (I've heard that before), and that I need to pay $98.45 taxes and $65 for shipping. The contract specifies the shipping is anticipated to be $20 for parcel post and $40 for priority mail.

Here is his answer on the trigger upgrade: "The optional Trigger Job is a polishing process. I can have Ryan call and explain it to you better if you like." But now Ryan is too busy to call because they have a rush this week. I only asked what the pull weight is and nobody can answer that.

Here is his answer on the rebates: "The rebates are delayed until we have better cash flow. All our money is in production right now."

Here is his answer on shipping costs: "Sorry, Thomas, we don't have $20 or $40 options anymore. We were losing money on the shipping, and we're not making anything as it is. Thanks for understanding."

Since then, I received a couple of apologetic emails from Rebecca Croft and she said they wouldn't be sending any refunds out before Aug 2015. It is now September 2015, and I still haven't received a refund or a reply to my emails since June 2015.

I'm surprised to see their website is still up and it has been updated with some professional looking pictures. But that just means that they are still taking money from people.

Next step: Small claims court.

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Loss:
$890
Cons:
  • No delivery and no refund
  • Delays
Reason of review:
No delivery and no refund

Preferred solution: Full refund

3 comments
Brahm Lrf

Hi, I'm so sorry to hear about this. I hope you're doing okay; I'd love to talk to you further about this!

Please, feel free to reach me at wncscamwatch@ {{Redacted}} (I have to separate it, or it automatically blocks my response). Hope to hear from you!

Guest

It's March 2016, over three years since I ordered and paid for the Joshua Mk 5 rifle and still no response from Amendment Arms since last spring. I came across an article written by a man named Tim Brown and he claims to be "an affiliate for the Joshua Mk 5 rifle." I wrote to him and he said he would pass my complaint to Ryan Croft but after 4 months, no response from either Tim Brown or Ryan Croft. Definitely a rip off company.

Guest

One month later, still no replies from Amendment Arms from my emails to them.

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Ione Bsl
map-marker Rock Hill, South Carolina

Amendment arms inc is a scam Ryan croft has been stealing money for years from people for this project and lots of us paid in and have nothing to show for it but empty wallets!

I paid over 1000 dollars for a Joshua rifle a year ago and have nothing to show for it after researching Ryan croft I found numerous people across numerous fields and industries that he has ran similar scams in the past! You know its bad when you call random manufacturers in close proximity and they all have horror stories to tell you! Buyer beware I want people to understand that they need to be very suspicious of this guy I was at a gun show in Greenville sc last week and found lots of people that had complaints about Ryan and no one that has anything good to say.

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Loss:
$1200
32 comments
Guest

These guys are out at the Asheville gun show running a scam right now!

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Now I know who threw out my flyers! Thanks! It actually works out better that you did.

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my Joshua is a piece of *** Tom. You and Ryan hurt many people financially and have sold a weapon that is a liability.

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I was involved with ryan on a bulk silver purchase that he was putting together a couple years back. When it became public knowledge that Ryan had scammed, conned, or stolen our money from us a few people that loudly complained about it on a few websites finally had there money returned to them.

Most of us did not however. I was in the group that never recovered any of their money. We are not alone he got many people and not only on the silver deal. Since then we keep hearing horror stories from others that he has taken on various schemes.

I do not know anything about the joshua Rifle good or bad but we know Ryan Croft and everything he touches turns to ***.

I would advise everyone to stay away from any product or Business that he is directly involved with. Its a good thing his wife has a good job in the medical field or he wouldnt even have a roof over his head.

Guest

That's great t pain tom is slime ball too, everyone says he gives them the creeps! I hope it does work out for you and everyone that ordered a rifle.

The fact remains Ryan is a shady guy that has bilked many people for many years. In fact a whole group of people rose money to get him out of trouble not too long ago. Before that he yanked a whole group of people out of money from all over wnc in a bulk silver purchase! The people that made a stink about it on the internet by saying exactly what happened got their money back.

Many others in the deal did not! This is just the tip of the iceberg and attention should be paid by all. Ryan now lives off his wife while continuing to yank people's chains on everything from *** tv shows to any other idea that he might can steal someone's money on!

Even the early investors kept having the price go up and many have fled because of constantly needing more money! It's great that he's got 20 rifles almost ready maybe if he makes this work him and Tom will refund some of the people Ryan's screwed over the years!

Guest

I'm a customer of Amendment Arms and I'm waiting for delivery of my MK5. I have had no problems keeping in touch with them regarding the progress.

I understood from the get go that it will take time to get things going. They sent out emails notifying us when they realized the delays they were facing. In that email they outlined the refund policy for anyone that couldn't weather the delay clearly. I've emailed their general manager, Tom Wise, a few times regarding the status and he has responded promptly every time.

I find the complaining here to be suspicious. What they're saying doesn't make any sense.

So here's my review:

I chose to pay, in full, up front with the spirit of helping these guys realize their dream.

In return, I get a bad *** rifle made in the USA at a great price. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

Guest

You are right Gerald and close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades! Ryan is a pathetic person!

He actually thinks we should legalize all the Mexicans here illegally!

He says it's the only way to combat Muslim extremists! What a looser!

Guest

This Joshua Mkv looks to be a blatant copy of the definitive arms Ak conversion! Maybe they will sue this bunch of losers!

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The MK5 is milled from scratch in North Carolina. Definitive Arms does conversion, much like the MK1 in our earlier videos.

The MK5 is therefore an improvement, as they say in the patent world. Perhaps Definitive got their idea from Ryan, who knows?

Guest

Excuse me, but...

No one who has purchased a rifle from Amendment Arms has ever been "scammed." Every purchaser signs a contract detailing the terms, which are known before signing. Every person who has purchased according to the terms and asked for a refund, according to the terms, has received a refund, no questions asked.

The rifle has been delayed by Obama scares, supplier shortfalls, and just plain design work, but we are close to delivery now. We keep a running blog online, and we keep all our customers informed on a pretty regular basis.

These comments here come as a surprise to me. I am the general manager at Amendment Arms, Tom Wise, and you can call me direct with complaints at 828-676-****.

On a personal note, I don't appreciate the corporation which I have worked hard to build with integrity being slammed to the ground with baseless accusations. The corporation is NOT out of business, and the rifle IS a real product.

Sorry if any of this sounded screechy, but it burns me to hear people say that our customers are being duped or that the Joshua is not a real firearm.

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Anonymous
map-marker Reddick, Florida

Admendment Arms Joshua MK5

Buyer Beware!

My son gave cold hard cash for the Joshua rifle ( http://amendmentarmsinc.com/ ) to be delivered in August-September. No delivery. Every phone call and e-mail was answered the same-- going out next week. As of Dec-31 still no rifle and a promise - it's scheduled to go out next week or tomorrow.

Requested a refund as contract states and apparently they don't have the money to give him the refund. Looks like he will have to go to small claims court to get any money back.

I would only use CC to purchase from these guys. At least you will have some protection in case of non-delivery.

After my son's experience, I personally would not do business with this company.

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Guest

I also gave amendment arms money for a Joshua rifle, to the tune of $1000.00. I received a lot of promises from Tom Wise , but no rifle in 4 years.

Anonymous
map-marker Denton, Texas

Amendment Arms BEWARE!!

Apparently I'm not the only one who has waited patiently for a product that does not seem that will never be completed,six months after payment I requested a refund. My gut instinct told me that no one would set up a business model this bad by accepting people's money and continue to accept money and still cannot seem to come up with a completed project.

After requesting a refund I waited a month and heard nothing from them. Is that not plenty of time to give someone? After contacting them again I received a check in the mail for 200$...stating they are "short this month". The refund amount is suppose to be 1013.45!!!

If a company cannot issue a full refund this makes me question just exactly what type of business practice is going on here because money is going in but no product or the ability to issue a full refund is going out. I must admit I feel duped but I will not lie down or roll over or pray that I will get money back.

A paper and legal trail must be left behind so no else has to go through this. If anything Amendment Arms needs to be encouraged to produce a more sound and professional business model.

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Loss:
$1013
5 comments
Guest

Going through much the same. Would not recommend doing business with this company.

The contract isn't worth the paper it's written on. Think the people who are not getting the gun or money back will have to get together and file a class action suit against them just to get something out of it.

Guest

On May 30, you were kind enough to work out with us the ability to pay you back over a short period of time. We appreciate that.

We are now in production and will be caught up with fully-paid customers in 90-120 days. Sorry you will miss out.

Tom Wise,

GM,

AAI

828-676-****

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Tom Wise wrote on June 4th 2014 - We are now in production and will be caught up with fully-paid customers in 90-120 days. 90 to 120 days would be Sept or Oct 2014.

Todays date is March 2nd 2015 and I HAVE NOT received my gun yet.

I have been fully paid since Jan 15th 2013. I hope I haven't been suckered but my hope is fading fast.

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The 120 days came and went and still no money or gun. The only thing we are missing out on is our hard earned money.

Even if we get a gun out of this the way you honor your contracts no way we can trust you for fixing any kind of problems that show up.

We would send the gun to get it fixed and maybe get back 2 or 3 years later!

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Here it is Jan 2016.....Amendment Arms has NOT delivered to its customers, and have received NO rebates. This company is a fraud.....good luck trying to get them to reply.....

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