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Grace Church Eden Prairie MN - Grace Church Rides The Gravy Train

  • by   Jan 09
  • Review #: 373780
 

When my family and I walked into Grace Church, we could not help but be wowed and impressed.

Then I paused and asked the question, what does Grace Church actually contribute back to the community of Eden Prairie?

The answer ... very little.

As a nonprofit leader in Minnesota said: "Nonprofits have tax exemption for a reason -- they provide service to the community that lessens the burden on government. We are partners with government and the community".

Tax payers agree the purpose of tax exemption to nonprofits is to lessen the burden on government,. Nevertheless, charities and other nonprofits have become a hotbed of tax evasion and abuse, according to the head of the Internal Revenue Service.

An example of abuse is Mega churches using tax payer subsidized land grabs to ruin our communities resulting in a defunding of our schools.

Grace Church of Eden Prairie MN is one such clear example.

This 80 Million dollar state of the art facility sits on 62 acres and rivals any large shopping mall. Grace Church does not pay any form of taxes leaving the Eden Prairie community to pay for supporting infrastructure such as roads, utilities, sewer, fire, police and rescue.

As a result of Grace Church tax exempt status, consider the amount of lost property taxes which otherwise would benefit the City of Eden Prairie schools, libraries, community centers, parks & recreation, sanitation, and local infrastructure.

The average Eden Prairie MN housing density is 5 + homes per acre. Grace Church Eden Prairie sits on 62 acres which amounts to a potential of 310 homes and commercial buildings being removed from the property tax role. Now multiply 310 home owners paying $3800 in annual property taxes which equals $1,178,000.

Over the last 10 years this tax payer subsidy cost the City of Eden Prairie and shorted tax payers out of $11,178,000. This tax subsidy is being passed on in the form of increased property tax burden on financially stressed Eden Prairie families and businesses.

Does this seem right, just or even sane?

I am a huge advocate of nonprofits that actually share the burden of government such as hospitals, homeless shelters and organizations that return an equitable amount of services back into their local communities.

However, I do not believe Grace Church and others like it return anything close to $11,178,000 back to the local community of Eden Prairie MN.

While many of the initiatives by Grace Church benefits its members, it does not mean these benefits should be subsidized by increased burden of property taxes imposed on all faiths, ethnic cultures, families and businesses of Eden Prairie MN.

Local tax payers agree and demand the city of Eden Prairie MN requires churches pay for supporting their real costs to the city in the form of a progressive property tax, or PILOT (payment in lieu of taxes). Many communities across the country are successfully developing a plan to impose PILOT fees to recover the cost of inequitable tax exemptions from large wealthy churches and nonprofits that take more than they give back to the local community.

In a time of economic crises where Americans are forced to move from their homes due to the inability to pay real estate taxes, churches should not be allowed to remove valuable tracts of prime real estate from the tax rolls, cause increased tax burden on local families and businesses and continue to ride the "no taxes" gravy train.

Call your state and local government representatives to stop this unfair inequitable tax subsidy that hurts local communities, families and businesses. 30a7549

 
 
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DA DA
May 19  from Chaska, Minnesota
Here's some more items I've become aware of that Grace does for the community:
- dance studio- used every week by hundreds of families that don't attend Grace
- Karate school- classes in Children's area
- Home School co-ops
- Boy Scouts
- Civil Air Patrol
- Eden Prairie Soccer Association
- English tutoring activities
- host concerts, seminars, the Eden Prairie Home & Garden Show, and Arts & Crafts festival, and more
- Dept. of Homeland Security dog training
- 4 high school and eight college graduations

This year alone, 60,000 - 70,000 people will have gone into a Grace event.

Yeah, I guess Grace isn't doing much in the community at all. I'm sure people in homes there would have done much more (sarcasm added)...
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Anonymous Anonymous
2 days ago  from Bloomington, Minnesota
How insulting you are to Taxpayers. Your religious arrogance and smugness is appalling.

Taxpayer "in their homes" pay a huge tax bill that enable freeloading nonprofits to exist.

Specifically, there are costs and major fees paid by groups for facility rental and ticket sales.

How naïve you are or perhaps dishonest to infer that 100% of all costs associated with these events are given free of charge.

I vote *** specific to your post.
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Anonymous Anonymous
1 day ago  from Chaska, Minnesota
Public schools and community centers also collect fees for building rentals and special events. There's nothing wrong with that. Does not take away from the good of schools ... or churches.

Let's not attack churches, as if they are doing something wrong. If you're unhappy with laws, petition your elected officials, but don't complain about churches who are fulfilling their missions statements within the law.
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Anonymous Anonymous
18 hours ago  from Bloomington, Minnesota
I deeply resent the inference made by DA that nonprofits give back to the community by providing these services free. This twisting and blurring of facts is typical of these groups.
Anonymous Anonymous
May 13 
What i would like to know is why?Are you all up in these people business.Do you not have anything else to do with your life.This is no "Concern Of Your's".People like you need to mind their "Business".You are a "Sorry Excuse for anytype of person."Noisy ***".
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Anonymous Anonymous
May 13  from Chaska, Minnesota
I agree about minding one's own business, but no reason to call anyone a sorry excuse of a person.
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Anonymous Anonymous
May 16  from Bloomington, Minnesota
It is a taxpayer’s duty to carefully question if the public trust and interests are served by offering massive tax breaks to nonprofits. The question is relative and critical to hold accountable all 501c3 nonprofits.

Generally speaking according to the IRS, wasteful spending, fraud and abusive practices are pervasive among nonprofits.

Furthermore, a tax break to a specific group incur a tax increase to stake holders who may not share or support those same values or beliefs.

The only means to fairly level the playing field is to require all 501c3 nonprofits who own real estate to pay their fair share of property taxes .
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Anonymous Anonymous
May 20  from Chaska, Minnesota
Let's get this idea right ... you're saying the IRS is accusing non profits of wasteful spending. If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is. The government is the ultimate example of wasteful spending -- an no non profit can come close to being more wasteful than Uncle Sam. I'm sorry, but this point hurts your overall argument.
Anonymous Anonymous
2 days ago  from Bloomington, Minnesota
The state of Minnesota does an exemplary job of fiscal responsibility. Please outline what you define as wasteful and sit back and watch all the special interest groups squawk. The IRS has identified nonprofits a "hot bet" of waste, fraud and abuse. It is time that this Gravy Trained is derailed, the party come to an end and all stake holders pay their share to support the cost of government.
Anonymous Anonymous
2 days ago 
Anyone who thinks the State is an "exemplary" example of fiscal responsibility just lost credibility in my mind. No business that operated with the same degree of fiscal responsibility as our government could stay in business. How is running annual deficits responsible? The government is the WORST example of fiscal restraint and responsibility there is. Someone would have to be nuts to want more of that and less private sector solutions.
Anonymous Anonymous
1 day ago  from Minneapolis, Minnesota
Whose entitlements do you suggest cutting?
Rather than a meat cleaver to the state budget, why not have nonprofits pay thier fair shair of property taxes.
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Anonymous Anonymous
1 day ago  from Chaska, Minnesota
If you can't see wasteful government spending with your own eyes, I doubt you'd be open to anyone's suggestions or comments on the topic. There is no greater example of inefficient, wasteful spending than government programs.
Anonymous Anonymous
18 hours ago  from Bloomington, Minnesota
You are being critical of the many services that the State of Minnesota from which you receive direct benefit. Which programs are you wanting to cut? Which programs are wasteful? Which programs are you willing to go without.

No doubt, not the programs from which you receive a direct benefit or entitlement.

The commentator is simply suggesting that all stakeholders who own real estate pay their fair share of cost to support the benefits you receive from your government.

All that live in this great state of Minnesota receive the benefits of nice roads, bridges, schools, parks, law enforcement, fire dept, special projects and critical welfare programs that feed and house the needy and dependent.

It is time that everyone pay their fair share of taxes
Truth Verses Fiction Truth Verses Fiction
May 12  from Eden Prairie, Minnesota
Income Statement 2011 -2012

Total Assets including land building $53,159.589
Total Support and Revenue $14,987,356.00

Numbers from Grace Church Website / Public Information

Grace Church offers free programs paid from proceeds earned from ticket sales, events, concerts, facility rental, weddings and meetings.

The issue here is not the good works that benefit church attendees or donated $5 million dollar resorts (now removed from the tax role)to grow even more attendance and contributions.

This issue is one of fairness and equity.

Our community and society would be better off without the state having to raise money utilizing pull tabs, electronic bingo and other forms of gambling. These forms of revenue are highly toxic and corrosive to our community.

The state budget short fall would easily be erased if everyone including churches and nonprofits paid their fair share of property taxes.

There are at least several hundred million dollars exempt property taxes that go uncollected each year. These currently uncollected property taxes would fund hiring more teachers, lunch programs for students, community centers and yes, even a new stadium.

It is time for fairness and equity.

Call your local and state elected representatives and insist everyone pay their fair share of property taxes.


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Anonymous Anonymous
May 12  from Chanhassen, Minnesota
So curious why you're singling out Grace Church, which seems to follow the law. Your campaign to raise tax revenue for the state has unfairly attacked a local church that is following the rules and doing wonderful things for our town.

I am glad you're not elected to public service. Charging non profits taxes would shrink the work of non profits to increase the size of government. I don't know many people who believe government can be more efficient than the private sector. What's next, are you going to take aim at Sharing and Caring Hands, the nationally recognized homeless shelter, because they are sitting on expensive property Downtown near Target Field? Are they riding the gravy train too?

You are mistaken to think that the State is selling pull tabs to subsidize churches and other non profits. The work of our local non profits SAVES the government money by providing services much more affordably and effectively. And you seem to be rationalizing that collecting property taxes from non-profits could increase government coffers to "fund hiring more teachers, lunch programs...community centers ..." which are all also non profits that don't pay tax. So which is it -- are you for more non profits exempt from paying tax or not?

BTW, the church "resort" you refer to was a single family's vacation home -- IN WISCONSIN -- that was donated to the church to use the property as a camp. And Grace Church is not exempt from paying property
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Anonymous Anonymous
May 12 
The "resort" is a hobby farm donated by one family. The church would like to someday develop the acreage into a camp facility for youth retreats, church retreats, and other organizations to use. Sounds awfully misleading to refer to it as a church resort.

Aren't public parks tax exempt too? Nobody is complaining that we have too much parkland -- and those acres actually cost us money in upkeep each year. Can you imagine someone suggesting we lose park space to build homes just so our city can bring in more taxes? Have you ever known the city to lower everyone else's taxes when new homes are built? No matter how much they collect, they'll just spend more.
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Anonymous Anonymous
May 18  from Englewood, Colorado
Wow! A 5 million dollar camp?
You gotta be kidding me ....
Anonymous Anonymous
2 days ago  from Bloomington, Minnesota
Public Parks are part of the Municipality which is supported by Taxpayers dollars.
Silly and Specious Silly and Specious
May 13  from Eden Prairie, Minnesota
Your counter points and argument is Silly and Specious

It sounds like you resent paying your share of government that provides for Minnesota roads and bridges, infrastructure, public education, fire, police and general projects that serve the public interest and welfare.

The states mission to provide these critical services to serve the general public welfare and interest trumps any argument for any exemption from paying property taxes.

The state of Minnesota has an exemplary record of effectively administering governance and taking care of indigent, homeless and needy families. In fact, much more needs to be done to grow this important obligation to take care of those who can’t advocate for themselves. There is a continuing important role the private sector does play in serving our community. Nevertheless, the obligation of all stake holders who hold real estate must be equitable and fair.

You bring up and important point regarding nonprofits who control highly valuable real estate in commercial downtown growth areas. Given that all real estate holders must pay real estate taxes, those entities who fail to do so must go through the same legal foreclosure process where the property is sold and property taxes owed will be paid.

Real estate becomes highly valuable only when there is a higher and greater purpose, potential and serves the public interest and welfare.

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Anonymous Anonymous
May 13  from Chaska, Minnesota
Still wrong ... the "air field" is a grass field (doesn't even have cones or lights -- literally just a lawn mowed patch of lawn for a hobby plane). The "luxury home is a 100+ year old FARM HOUSE that will likely be torn down. Only has one full bath, no AC, kitchen stove looks to be from the 50's, crooked floors. Very charming, but by no means luxury. How do I know this? Because the church allowed our outside group to use the property at no charge for our camp. I'm not contesting that they own a nice piece of property (that they pay tax on in WI) -- just want it clear that you're facts are misleading.

I am grateful for police, libraries, public roads, and schools. Also grateful for community centers, public parks, youth centers, food banks, and churches in our community. To single out some non profits (privately run) and not others (publicly run) for taxes is not my idea of fair and balanced. It sounds more like socialism.

I suppose in the end this disagreement will be settled by voters. I don't believe non profits lose their tax exempt status in order to fund more government during my lifetime. Thank God nobody's passed that into law anytime before now.

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